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| + | == Obsidian tool is not a functional tool and "does not work" with the latest version. == | ||
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| + | I have made a note of this in bold and if it isn't "live" by the release of .06 I will strike out the section. There is no point in advertising tools that are not yet functional. | ||
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| + | :I'll put it into an "in development" section. The tool is still not live --[[User:Falldog|Falldog]] 22:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
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== Introduction sentence change == | == Introduction sentence change == | ||
The 40d page includes some software such as [http://winmerge.org/ WinMerge] and [http://www.autohotkey.com/ AutoHotKey] which were not developed for DF specifically but which remain very useful. I use WinMerge when modifying raws and would not be if I hadn't discovered it on this wiki. I decided to add WinMerge and change the introduction text from "Here are third party applications developed for Dwarf Fortress." to "Here are third party applications useful for Dwarf Fortress." though, I'm not particularly happy with the wording. Hopefully this edit is ok?[[User:Vattic|Vattic]] 03:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC) | The 40d page includes some software such as [http://winmerge.org/ WinMerge] and [http://www.autohotkey.com/ AutoHotKey] which were not developed for DF specifically but which remain very useful. I use WinMerge when modifying raws and would not be if I hadn't discovered it on this wiki. I decided to add WinMerge and change the introduction text from "Here are third party applications developed for Dwarf Fortress." to "Here are third party applications useful for Dwarf Fortress." though, I'm not particularly happy with the wording. Hopefully this edit is ok?[[User:Vattic|Vattic]] 03:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Tried Dwarf Therapist in Wine (1.1.43) under Linux (Debian 5.0). It told me I needed to be running DF at the same time. OK. Launched DF and then launched Therapist. It locked up my X display completely. I had to ssh in from another machine and reboot. After the reboot, tried again, and it locked up the X display except for the mouse pointer, which was still alive and moving (but stuck in arrow shape, and clicking did nothing). Couldn't switch to a text console, and couldn't kill X with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. I was able to ssh in and kill all wine processes, and this time at least I had the text console, so I didn't have to reboot. Giving up now. Guess I'll continue managing dwarves by hand. --[[User:Greycat|Greycat]] 02:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC) | Tried Dwarf Therapist in Wine (1.1.43) under Linux (Debian 5.0). It told me I needed to be running DF at the same time. OK. Launched DF and then launched Therapist. It locked up my X display completely. I had to ssh in from another machine and reboot. After the reboot, tried again, and it locked up the X display except for the mouse pointer, which was still alive and moving (but stuck in arrow shape, and clicking did nothing). Couldn't switch to a text console, and couldn't kill X with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. I was able to ssh in and kill all wine processes, and this time at least I had the text console, so I didn't have to reboot. Giving up now. Guess I'll continue managing dwarves by hand. --[[User:Greycat|Greycat]] 02:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
| + | :I build a native version from the sources and it works like a charm (Debian squeeze). I am running the (32 bits) Linux SDL version of DF and DwarfTherapist is compiled to a 64 bits binary. --[[User:MathFox|MathFox]] 23:56, 27 March 2011 (UTC) | ||
== Why include WinMerge in the list and not Subversion ? == | == Why include WinMerge in the list and not Subversion ? == | ||
As subversion can do as much as WinMerge (with TortoiseSVN), and is really better for developpers than WinMerge alone (though more complicated, since it requires to install a server somewhere, for example on the developper machine itself). WinMerge can be integrated with TortoiseSVN (so that it is used instead of Tortoise merge tool). Now I'm used to Subversion, I just can't imagine developing anything without it... However, I'm not sure it's a good idea to begin to list here all softwares that can be used to work with (text) files. --[[User:Youen|Youen]] 17:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC) | As subversion can do as much as WinMerge (with TortoiseSVN), and is really better for developpers than WinMerge alone (though more complicated, since it requires to install a server somewhere, for example on the developper machine itself). WinMerge can be integrated with TortoiseSVN (so that it is used instead of Tortoise merge tool). Now I'm used to Subversion, I just can't imagine developing anything without it... However, I'm not sure it's a good idea to begin to list here all softwares that can be used to work with (text) files. --[[User:Youen|Youen]] 17:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC) | ||
| − | :Because WinMerge is a utility designed solely for file comparison/merging, while Subversion is a | + | :Because WinMerge is a utility designed solely for file comparison/merging, while Subversion is a revision control system which happens to include file comparison/merging support (using the standard "diff" utility, no less). It would be akin to somebody asking for a spellchecker and recommending that they use Microsoft Word. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 17:52, 6 May 2010 (UTC) |
| + | :Well, I ''would'' recommend Word (or equivalent) to a Windows user, because if he does not already have it, it would be worth installing and discover it anyway. But more seriously, I agree with the fact that Subversion is clearly not essential to play this game, or even modify it. [[User:Youen|Youen]] 21:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC) | ||
Latest revision as of 23:56, 27 March 2011
Obsidian tool is not a functional tool and "does not work" with the latest version.[edit]
I have made a note of this in bold and if it isn't "live" by the release of .06 I will strike out the section. There is no point in advertising tools that are not yet functional.
- I'll put it into an "in development" section. The tool is still not live --Falldog 22:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Introduction sentence change[edit]
The 40d page includes some software such as WinMerge and AutoHotKey which were not developed for DF specifically but which remain very useful. I use WinMerge when modifying raws and would not be if I hadn't discovered it on this wiki. I decided to add WinMerge and change the introduction text from "Here are third party applications developed for Dwarf Fortress." to "Here are third party applications useful for Dwarf Fortress." though, I'm not particularly happy with the wording. Hopefully this edit is ok?Vattic 03:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Updated Dwarf Therapist section - hairypanis
Dwarf Therapist[edit]
Tried Dwarf Therapist in Wine (1.1.43) under Linux (Debian 5.0). It told me I needed to be running DF at the same time. OK. Launched DF and then launched Therapist. It locked up my X display completely. I had to ssh in from another machine and reboot. After the reboot, tried again, and it locked up the X display except for the mouse pointer, which was still alive and moving (but stuck in arrow shape, and clicking did nothing). Couldn't switch to a text console, and couldn't kill X with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. I was able to ssh in and kill all wine processes, and this time at least I had the text console, so I didn't have to reboot. Giving up now. Guess I'll continue managing dwarves by hand. --Greycat 02:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- I build a native version from the sources and it works like a charm (Debian squeeze). I am running the (32 bits) Linux SDL version of DF and DwarfTherapist is compiled to a 64 bits binary. --MathFox 23:56, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Why include WinMerge in the list and not Subversion ?[edit]
As subversion can do as much as WinMerge (with TortoiseSVN), and is really better for developpers than WinMerge alone (though more complicated, since it requires to install a server somewhere, for example on the developper machine itself). WinMerge can be integrated with TortoiseSVN (so that it is used instead of Tortoise merge tool). Now I'm used to Subversion, I just can't imagine developing anything without it... However, I'm not sure it's a good idea to begin to list here all softwares that can be used to work with (text) files. --Youen 17:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Because WinMerge is a utility designed solely for file comparison/merging, while Subversion is a revision control system which happens to include file comparison/merging support (using the standard "diff" utility, no less). It would be akin to somebody asking for a spellchecker and recommending that they use Microsoft Word. --Quietust 17:52, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I would recommend Word (or equivalent) to a Windows user, because if he does not already have it, it would be worth installing and discover it anyway. But more seriously, I agree with the fact that Subversion is clearly not essential to play this game, or even modify it. Youen 21:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)