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:He likely was more skilled at something other than soapmaking that resulted in him making this artifact. [[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 02:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC) | :He likely was more skilled at something other than soapmaking that resulted in him making this artifact. [[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 02:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == Flow of page == | ||
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| + | I'm not sure that the page flows very well. The argument runs: | ||
| + | a) soap is very hard to make and has no quality modifier; | ||
| + | b) it can be very valuable and is a good use of megabeast fat; | ||
| + | c) therefore soapers often move into the military. | ||
| + | Surely b) argues against a) and c) - that is to say, despite it having no quality modifier and requiring a lot of effort to produce, and despite many soapers going straight into the military, it is still worth having one for fast production of megabeast soap. Thoughts please? --[[User:Zooeyglass|Zooeyglass]] 13:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
| + | :Not quite. The argument runs: a) soap is mostly ''useless'' and has no quality modifier, so don't make any. b) any dwarf is equally competent to make soap cos no quality is produced, megabeast tallow is rare, time not a factor. c) In very special situations soap is very valuable and is a good use of (megabeast) fat d) therefore soapers often move into the military, cos you dont need a dedicated one, any dwarf will do. | ||
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| + | The whole hard to make (and resource waste) is actually missing, but then again this is the soaper page, not the [[soap]] page. --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 14:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == Soap in the future == | ||
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| + | Given Toady's announcement in the [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html#2009-09-17 recent developments] that soap will no longer be 'useless', should we update the pages on soapers and soap? --[[User:Kaius|Kaius]] 21:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
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| + | :Sure..once it ''IS'' no longer useless ;) --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 22:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::<nods> The wiki deals with the current version only. But if you want to be in charge of that update the minute the new version comes out (''AND'' once these changes are confirmed!), that'd be great!--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 23:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
Latest revision as of 15:54, 8 March 2010
I once saw soap as a building material for a workshop. Not sure if it works like wood or stone. I guess dwarfs like good-smelling workshops.
Still, any rain ( if the building is outside ) would wash it away.
Maybe make that a new game goal: Clean City, made of soap as much as possible.
--Karp 04:06, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
- Heck, I make massive impregnable ballista-deflecting fortresses out of glass! Don't you go telling me what will and what will not wash away!
- In other words, "DF =! terran common sense" --Savok 09:08, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
- Yep, a wall of soap can stop a flood, just like a wall of ice can block magma. Also, I believe a soap fortress is already in the Challenges page. --Smartmo 15:07, 13 January 2009 (EST)
Alternate use for a soaper[edit]
somehow, my soaper immigrant managed to go into a fell mood before I could draft him. He took over a kitchen where he created a felsite bracelet, becoming a legendary stonecrafter.
So not all soapers should be drafted apparently! he is now turning out masterful+ obsidian short swords. GarrieIrons 05:48, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- He likely was more skilled at something other than soapmaking that resulted in him making this artifact. Shardok 02:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Flow of page[edit]
I'm not sure that the page flows very well. The argument runs: a) soap is very hard to make and has no quality modifier; b) it can be very valuable and is a good use of megabeast fat; c) therefore soapers often move into the military. Surely b) argues against a) and c) - that is to say, despite it having no quality modifier and requiring a lot of effort to produce, and despite many soapers going straight into the military, it is still worth having one for fast production of megabeast soap. Thoughts please? --Zooeyglass 13:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- Not quite. The argument runs: a) soap is mostly useless and has no quality modifier, so don't make any. b) any dwarf is equally competent to make soap cos no quality is produced, megabeast tallow is rare, time not a factor. c) In very special situations soap is very valuable and is a good use of (megabeast) fat d) therefore soapers often move into the military, cos you dont need a dedicated one, any dwarf will do.
The whole hard to make (and resource waste) is actually missing, but then again this is the soaper page, not the soap page. --Birthright 14:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Soap in the future[edit]
Given Toady's announcement in the recent developments that soap will no longer be 'useless', should we update the pages on soapers and soap? --Kaius 21:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
- Sure..once it IS no longer useless ;) --Birthright 22:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
- <nods> The wiki deals with the current version only. But if you want to be in charge of that update the minute the new version comes out (AND once these changes are confirmed!), that'd be great!--Albedo 23:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)