Difference between revisions of "40d Talk:Ice"

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Should probably include some information on melting the ice, as this is a common question. sinoth 10:44, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Ice is listed as a fire-safe material, and fire-safe materials are listed as being usable for creation of magma-powered buildings. Does this mean one can make a magma forge out of ice stones? Rkyeun 14:29, 24 November 2007 (EST)

I tryed to get water out of ice by dropping it a floor but it did not work. What am I doing wrong? Diabl0658 23:49, 30 November 2007 (EST)

It no longer seems to work as of 33d, I'm removing that part from the page Klada 20:55, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Regarding melting ice, I found that if you melt ice, drain it off to a 2 or 3, and then shunt the magma off somehow (happens often when magma first flows, due to ebb and flow of the magma waves) the 2-depth water will re-freeze, allowing you to re-thaw it into a 7-depth water. ... I found this out the hard way actually, since the magma waves caused successive re-thaws for the water to flood out my then-thought-to-be-way-too-big water pit. --CrushU 21:20, 7 January 2008 (EST)CrushU 21:20, 07 January 2008 (EST)

Value of ICE

What's the material value of ice? 1? Noctis 07:51, 31 December 2007 (EST)

Whatever ice boulders are worth I would assume. Probably 2. Lightning4 08:31, 31 December 2007 (EST)

0 Water is free so is ice. It doesn't even have a material entry it is hard coded in the game I think. --Ikkonoishi 10:56, 31 December 2007 (EST)

Yet on a map with water and magma sources one can produce an infinite amount of obsidian, which has value. Not that I'm suggesting obsidian should be valueless, but a fortress making a business out of selling ice sculptures would be fun. :) Bryan Derksen 21:46, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Considering pets can now die in route with merchants due to weather/temp, I bet they don't get far with your masterwork Ice Sculpture. :P --Kyace 23:17, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Melting without magma

If there is any way to melt ice without magma this would be good to know. Are there any drinks that are "just water"? ie can I put water into a barrel and have something to drink through the winter, or do I have to get plants and brew beer / wine / rum to not die of dehydration/thirst?GarrieIrons 07:15, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Nope, you have to brew something to store a drink in a barrel. Besides, even if you could store water, you wouldn't want to. Dwarves need alcohol, or they work much slower. -FunnyMan 08:44, 5 February 2008 (EST)

Well they may work slow for a bit but at least they don't die!GarrieIrons 06:50, 6 February 2008 (EST)

Water pit vs lake / pond

Does a water pit have to be a certain number of tiles, depth below ground, or overall "internal depth" (ie go a certain number of z-levels) to not freeze? ie how much of a pit do I need to not only dig, but fill, to have water in my fortress no matter what the weather is like?GarrieIrons 08:21, 5 February 2008 (EST)

Height doesn't seem to be important. It needs to be either Inside or Below Ground to not freeze, I'm not sure which. -FunnyMan 08:41, 5 February 2008 (EST) Update: It's Below Ground. -FunnyMan 18:56, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Well my current thought is to build a wall out of ice to see it melt and irrigate my field... also, I'm building an up/down stair down a few z-levels. Once done I will work out how to drop my ice down it... yes more to do it than anything else.GarrieIrons 06:49, 6 February 2008 (EST)

Engraving ice

Ice Walls can be engraved. I can prove it if you like. I made the change to the article, change the wording if you want.--Niaba 06:06, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

This seems a reasonably viable way to train engravers without wasting valuable wall space in a glacial sort of map.--Dadamh 15:28, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

If a masterfully engraved ice wall melts, does it cause a tantrum? --Raumkraut 16:06, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Outside/Above Ground

I made a deep channel by actually digging a tunnel (so dwarves wouldn't get stuck by channelling stupidly), so it was all inside. BUT I dug an opening through the floor on one of the corners for some reason (thought it was required for flood gate lever). Anyway, so the water in this corner was inside, but above ground. And in late autumn it froze over, just when I was thinking I would need a well there! All the other water is still intact in the channel, but with a corner of damp ice wall blocking flow. Anyway, if someone else can confirm it doesn't have to be outside to freeze! --KernelJ 10:38, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

I don't think I follow your situation. If you mined out an L-shaped path underground for water, then dug a channel on top of the corner, that corner tile should be outside/light/above ground, unless you put some kind of construction over it. It's possible that the tile became outside, and then froze to ice, which might cause the game to claim the tile was inside/light/above ground (the game seems to report most outside impassable tiles as inside). However, even if you've got an ice wall in the corner, water should still be able to flow around it diagonally, shouldn't it? --Marble Dice 12:21, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Moving Ice Stone

Ice stone or "water" can't be put into a stockpile right? So it'll stay where it's mined until I decide to make something out of them?

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 :I don't think I follow your situation.  If you mined out an L-shaped path underground for water, then dug a channel on top of the corner, that corner tile should be outside/light/above ground, unless you put some kind of construction over it.  It's possible that the tile became outside, and then froze to ice, which might cause the game to claim the tile was inside/light/above ground (the game seems to report most outside impassable tiles as inside).  However, even if you've got an ice wall in the corner, water should still be able to flow around it diagonally, shouldn't it? --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 12:21, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
+== Moving Ice Stone ==
+Ice stone or "water" can't be put into a stockpile right?
+So it'll stay where it's mined until I decide to make something out of them?