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Done a few quick tests. Waterwheels and screw pumps still have the same numbers for power. Built a perpetual motion machine using the #3 reactor design which works as before. [[User:Doctorzuber|Doctorzuber]] 19:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 
Done a few quick tests. Waterwheels and screw pumps still have the same numbers for power. Built a perpetual motion machine using the #3 reactor design which works as before. [[User:Doctorzuber|Doctorzuber]] 19:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 
:Also tested the Dwarven Water Reactor, as well as a mini variant.  Both function fully and are repeatable.  Thus, I added the two designs into the page. [[User:Jjdorf|Jjdorf]] 09:27, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 
:Also tested the Dwarven Water Reactor, as well as a mini variant.  Both function fully and are repeatable.  Thus, I added the two designs into the page. [[User:Jjdorf|Jjdorf]] 09:27, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
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== Perpetual motion if Goldberg were a dwarf... ==
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I had a need to pump water out of my artificial underground lake.<br/>
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I could have just built a windmill, but I figured that since I was pumping out the water anyway, I may as well have some fun with it.<br/>
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Here is what I plan to build.  I'll let you know how it goes...
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'''<span style="color:#080">X</span><br /><span style="color:#0F0">X</span>''' = '''Pumps from south'''<br/>
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'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">X</span>''' = '''Floodgate'''<br/>
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'''<span style="color:#777;">*</span> or <span style="color:#FF0000;">*</span>''' = '''Gear assembly'''
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Math as follows:<br/>
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Water wheels generate: 90 power x 3 wheels = 270 power<br/>
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Gears consume: 5 power x 6 gears = 30 power<br/>
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Net power produced: 240 power
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'''Some notes...'''<br/>
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The water source on the left of the lower two layers is the top of a larger lake.  The retaining wall is there to contain the top layer.  You may not need this wall, if you have other measures in place to properly control the level of the main body of water.<br/>
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The top layer of the construction, if you can arrange it, should probably be the first layer below ground.  This has the advantage of letting you connect windmills, should you feel the need.  I wouldn't recommend putting the gearing itself on the surface... I expect it to scream target at more destructive monsters.<br/>
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The red gear assemblies and floodgates are all connected to levers.  I will be linking them all to separate levers, but this may be over kill for your situation.<br/>
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The upshot of this linking is that you can turn the output power on and off without closing down the pumps, drain or fill the various component sections for maintainance, or selectively disable waterwheels (maybe shutdown one to build an extension?)<br/>
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As I say, it may be overkill.<br/>
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Although the system is self contained, and thus shouldn't be too subject to overflows, you should still take the usual precautions with the levers... in case of mad dwarf disease ;)
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Should this design prove functional to specs, I'll move it to the article.<br/>
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Should this design prove utterly borked up, I'll report back with revised plans.
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[[Special:Contributions/89.238.157.212|89.238.157.212]] 21:00, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Revision as of 21:00, 10 June 2010

Perpetual Motion

Done a few quick tests. Waterwheels and screw pumps still have the same numbers for power. Built a perpetual motion machine using the #3 reactor design which works as before. Doctorzuber 19:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Also tested the Dwarven Water Reactor, as well as a mini variant. Both function fully and are repeatable. Thus, I added the two designs into the page. Jjdorf 09:27, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Perpetual motion if Goldberg were a dwarf...

I had a need to pump water out of my artificial underground lake.
I could have just built a windmill, but I figured that since I was pumping out the water anyway, I may as well have some fun with it.
Here is what I plan to build. I'll let you know how it goes...


Top
Level 		Middle
Level 		Bottom
Level
+ + + + + + + +
+ * + + + + + +
+ ║ + + + + + +
+ ║ + + + + + +
+ ║ + + + + + +
+ * ═ * + + + +
+ ║ + + + + + +
+ ║ + + + + + +
+ * + + + + + +
+ + + + + + + +
≈ ╠ ═ ═ ╗ + + + +
≈ X X ≈ ║ + + + +
≈ ╠ ═ ═ ╝ + + +
≈ ║ + + + + + + +
≈ ║ W + W + W + +
≈ ║ W * W ═ W * ═
≈ ║ W + W + W + +
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≈ X X ≈ X ≈ ≈ ≈ ≈
≈ ╠ ═ ═ ═ ═ ═ ═ ═
≈ ╠ ═ ═ ═ ═ ═ ╗
≈ ║ ≈ ≈ ≈ ≈ ≈ ║
≈ ╠ ╗ ≈ ║ ≈ ╔ ╝
≈ ║ X ║ X ║ X ║
≈ ║ ≈ ║ ≈ ║ ≈ ║
≈ ║ ≈ ║ ≈ ║ ≈ ║
≈ ║ ≈ ║ ≈ ║ ≈ ║
≈ ║ X ║ X ║ X ║
≈ ║ ≈ ≈ ≈ ≈ ≈ ║
≈ ╠ ═ ═ ═ ═ ═ ╝

X
X = Pumps from south
X = Floodgate
* or * = Gear assembly

Math as follows:
Water wheels generate: 90 power x 3 wheels = 270 power
Gears consume: 5 power x 6 gears = 30 power
Net power produced: 240 power


Some notes...

The water source on the left of the lower two layers is the top of a larger lake. The retaining wall is there to contain the top layer. You may not need this wall, if you have other measures in place to properly control the level of the main body of water.

The top layer of the construction, if you can arrange it, should probably be the first layer below ground. This has the advantage of letting you connect windmills, should you feel the need. I wouldn't recommend putting the gearing itself on the surface... I expect it to scream target at more destructive monsters.

The red gear assemblies and floodgates are all connected to levers. I will be linking them all to separate levers, but this may be over kill for your situation.
The upshot of this linking is that you can turn the output power on and off without closing down the pumps, drain or fill the various component sections for maintainance, or selectively disable waterwheels (maybe shutdown one to build an extension?)
As I say, it may be overkill.
Although the system is self contained, and thus shouldn't be too subject to overflows, you should still take the usual precautions with the levers... in case of mad dwarf disease ;)

Should this design prove functional to specs, I'll move it to the article.
Should this design prove utterly borked up, I'll report back with revised plans.

89.238.157.212 21:00, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

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