DF2014 Talk:Topic

We aren't even half way there

There are around 130 innovations/topics/technologies listed so far. Toady says there are around 300.

Techniques for researching:

• Turn entire Fortress into scholars
• Monitor what they discuss / ponder every few minutes
• Record the innovation name and description (Press j when highlighting the dwarf in the unit list to see the description)
• Might be best to do this in several worlds generated with longer histories

I also went through Legends mode and sorted through a crap load of books (under artifacts), but this way doesn't always give you the innovation name. And it's a pain.

Any other suggestions? Brightgalrs (talk) 16:18, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Writing books in adv mode is also a good way to do it. Untrustedlife (talk) 17:07, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Didn't think of that. Very nice.Brightgalrs (talk) 17:21, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Ah, having not played fortress mode in the new release, I didn't realize that there were official names for the topics. I just thought the name was supposed to briefly describe the topic. I will remove the names from all the topics I have added. One good thing about using legends mode is that you know for certain which field a topic is a part of, since it says stuff like, "In 88, Sut became a philosopher in Hawktwinkle." "In the early summer of 91, Sut independently discovered discourse on medical ethics." That could have conceivably been a medical science innovation, but obviously since Sut was a philosopher, it is a philosophy inovation. --Figwat (talk) 05:57, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Lots of knowledge flags have been added to df-structures recently. I don't know how the names were found or how reliable the information is, but it might be a good starting point for the full list of topics. --FortressBuilder (talk) 15:57, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Used this list to complete the list in the article. Some of the names are probably wrong, however.Brightgalrs (talk) 06:22, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Maybe we could look for the correct strings in the exe file? Version 0.42.06 seems to have them around offset 0xB72AA0. FortressBuilder (talk) 12:07, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

In response to you most recent edit: Some of the topic names in the article are carried-over from before the revamp. The terminology used for the flags is different from what appears in the game.Brightgalrs (talk) 17:50, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

@Brightgalrs that section on value agendas you deleted needs to come back books on value agendas were a feature toady made a big deal about .

(They were formatted as nuances/nature/worthlessness/value of "belief" (belief being any personality attribute, nature, truth, cunning etc.) Untrustedlife (talk) 03:00, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Reminders

• Record both the name and description
• The description should be all words after "The topic being discussed concerns..." or whatever it is.
• Try to sort the innovation in the right section of this article
• If it isn't obvious which it fits under (or it seems fits under multiple) just put it in the "unsorted" section
• More research will be done when Dwarf Therapist is updated
  • In particular, monitoring dwarf's skill gain to pinpoint the correct branch(s) a topic should be sorted under.

Brightgalrs (talk) 16:27, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Names of Innovations

Apparently there are different names the innovations/topics/technologies are called in different fortresses. Example:

The Screw	The construction and use of the screw
Screws within Reason	The construction and use of the screw

Are they the same?

Do we keep both / combine them / try to find a more common name? Another example of how it is currently handled on the page:

Gear Mechanics Gears

The reasons why gears are effective

Ashameron (talk) 11:19, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Are you sure "Screws within Reason" is not a title of a book or something? Brightgalrs (talk) 06:22, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Who deleted the section in the philosophy section on value agendas, ? that is important, it should be brought back. Toady has even talked about it, that bit needs to be brought back, nature of nuances of etc were in the same section for a reason. Untrustedlife (talk) 02:58, 7 March 2016 (UTC)