Editing 40d Talk:Fishing

Most of this was taken from the old wiki as it all seems applicable here. Whether or not fish can be depleted or not I do not know - at this point it seems that the turtle supply is endless.--[[User:Decanter|Decanter]] 05:03, 7 November 2007 (EST)

:I had a 'there is nothing to catch in the swamps' message a few times. so it is possible to deplete all the fish in a pond, but haven't been able to get rid of all the fish. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 06:40, 7 November 2007 (EST)

Does anyone with more experience than I know what make (or made) Carp so dangerous?  In 0.27.169.33a and previous, swimming creatures would gain incredible attributes due to gaining experience by swimming all the time, which would obviously make combat more dangerous.  In the latest version (0.27.169.33b) though, innate swimmers no longer gain swim skill, which sounds like it would make fish rather less dangerous.--[[User:Kmgraba|Kmgraba]] 22:37, 18 November 2007 (EST)

:Carps aren't really dangerous versus a soldier who can swim (my first 125 kills were carps,longnose gars and lampreys in adventure mode), but they can easily drag an unarmed untrained fisherdwarf into water and drown him. [[User:Wagawaga|Wagawaga]] 20:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

== Useful stuff to add to article. ==

Are brooks fishable? Streams? Are swamps depleted permanently or temporarily? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 09:24, 13 November 2007 (EST)
:Brooks are fishable and can be depleted. Swamps, brooks and artificial underground lakes are depleted temporarily. When any biome becomes depleted - a fishing zone anywhere near the water in that biome shows that there are 0 (zero) squares suitable for fishing.
:Also of notice is that the swamp will only repopulate with turtles/whatever was there in the first time even if you connect it to brook with other fish by a channel.
:My question now is whether the amount to be fished out before depletion is correlated with the amount of tiles with water or does every biome have a fixed amount preset on map generation?--[[User:Another|Another]] 11:07, 13 November 2007 (EST)

::I'd have to say it's at least partially connected to the amount of water; I have 3 different fortresses right now and the one with the fewest lakes definitely gets depleted more commonly, and faster, than the rest of the maps.  I haven't ruled out the confound of the biome itself; perhaps there is a larger amount on biomes like swamp, and they also have more water.  Anyone know if making lakes larger, or making your own artificial lakes helps with depletion? -Gotthard

== Frozen rivers ==

Can you fish a frozen river / lake?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 00:21, 6 January 2008 (EST)

== Fishing in caves ==

Is it a problem to fish in a underwater lake filled with snakemen and lizardmen?
I'd guess they could be fished and kill off the dwarf...
I kinda wanta catch em like pokemon.--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 15:33, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

:It is okay as long as you have some soldiers or traps near the fisherdwarf... at least if you care about his life. [[User:Wagawaga|Wagawaga]] 20:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fishing is the labor used to catch fish. ==

"Fishing is the labor used to catch fish."
This is somewhat inaccurate. When I asked on [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=25736.0 the forum], I was told that what you catch is unrelated to the actual number of fish in the river. The river can apparently be depleted when you can see fish vermin in it. Perhaps this should be changed to saying that fishing creates raw fish. [[User:DanielLC|DanielLC]] 14:53, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

== Fishing Indoors ==
How large of an artificial lake or murky pool must you make in order for it to be a functional fishing spot? Can you fish through grates, bars or hatches? --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 17:50, 31 January 2009 (EST)

:I had a fisherdwarf fishing in a 1-square inside pool so i suppose that as long as you can designate an area as "fishing area" you can take fish out of it. You can fish through hatches, i can confirm this, i dont know through bars and grates. [[User:Wagawaga|Wagawaga]] 20:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

== Research on fish depletion, use of bars (and presumably grates), biome impact ==

Take a look at http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=32555.msg475330#msg475330. I've posted the results of some fishing tests there.

Important conclusions:

-Fish are sourced from biomes.

-Biome fish stocks appear to reset every season.

-Rivers/streams/brooks have their own "biome fish counter" independent of the actual biome the river's passing through.

-Otherwise, the game looks at where the water tile you're fishing from is, and then figures out which biome it's associated with. The nature of surrounding tiles (i.e. is this a pond, or a channel off a river, or a bucket-filled pit) is immaterial.

-The creation of fish at the completion of a successful fishing attempt is abstracted. The presence or absence of actual fish vermin (or actual fish creatures, e.g. carp) is immaterial.

-Dwarves can fish through horizontal bars, but building them is finicky. Read the full post linked above. [[User:Kethas|Kethas]] 03:24, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

== Female Fisherdwarves? ==
How do they fish without a beard? [[User:DeadlyLintRoller|DeadlyLintRoller]] 01:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
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 == Female Fisherdwarves? ==
 How do they fish without a beard? [[User:DeadlyLintRoller|DeadlyLintRoller]] 01:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
-:Though no scientific research can confirm this, i suppose that dwarves do not have the same dna as humans, and women also produce the hormone which causes beard to grow. I am not a pogonologist anyway and I could be wrong. [[User:Wagawaga|Wagawaga]] 20:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
-::Yes, they have beards too. --[[User:Smartmo|Smartmo]] 22:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
-:::This is why human diplomats are trained NEVER to ask a dwarf where all the female dwarves are.  They are ALL AROUND YOU.  The bearded wonder who escorted you in?  Female.  The heavily-bearded noble you met to discuss imports with?  Also female.  The hammerer?  Yup.  Male and female dwarves look and sound the same to most humans, and the problem is compounded by the fact that most dwarven names are applied to both males and females.--[[User:Zipdog|Zipdog]] 22:52, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
-::::The only problem is how dwarves tell what gender other dwarves are. Allegedly, it occurs behind closed doors, where both parties lift thy garmits at once, for a brief second, to distinguish themselves before sex.--[[User:Heliman|Heliman]] 02:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-:::::Read "Feet of Clay", "The Fifth Elephant", and "Thud!" by Terry Pratchet, for a insight into dwarf culture and lols.--[[User:Mrdudeguy|Mrdudeguy]] 07:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
-The question is still not answered. ToadyOne said in one of the DF Talks that the female dwarves in the upcoming versions won't have beards. Hopefully, that'll change. [[User:MC Dirty|MC Dirty]] 23:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
-== Carp joke no longer fitting? ==
-Seeing as carp are fixed (unless you mod it back in for extra [[fun]] or are using old versions), doesn't the carp joke lose meaning and become un-funny?
-:Though carp don't gain swimming skill anymore, they're still quite dangerous - they can attack dwarves standing at the edge of the river, and they are more than capable of doing significant damage. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 00:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
-::No they don't, I double checked in the Raw file and carp do as much (Read: little) damage as ANY other fish. Are you using a old version maybe?
-:::I set a fisherdwarf to work near a small pond inhabited by 5 carp (and nothing else). As he walked along the edge, one of the carp bit at him and he dodged into the water and was subsequently torn apart by the carp. By the time he died, there were ''thirty-six'' Dwarf chunks in the water, along with a '''severed left lower leg''', and one of the carp had been given a name. As I ordered all of my other dwarves to go fishing in said pond, they were also attacked and died rather quickly - the last one had both his throat and left eye torn out. While they may not be deadly in a river (they seem to prefer to flee), in a pond they will consider themselves to be cornered and will attack with surprising strength (note that they still do 1-'''6''' bite damage, so they haven't been entirely fixed). Also, please '''sign your comments''' (by placing <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> at the end, and ideally by first creating a user account and logging in). --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 13:09, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
-:::As a side note, the fact that carp do the same damage as other fish does not mean that they are weak, but rather that '''all''' (non-vermin) fish are dangerous - carp are just the most well known, because while a [[pike (fish)|pike]] or [[longnose gar]] is definitely dangerous (they both have lots of teeth), a mere carp shouldn't be anywhere near as powerful. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 15:53, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
-:::Actually, many fish are much larger than carp. The river fish are [[longnose gar]], [[carp]], [[tigerfish]] and [[pike (fish)|pike]]. Both pike and longnose gar are larger than carp, but carp show up in clusters, unlike the other two. Tigerfish are as large as carp and also show up in clusters, but they are much rarer. <br>
-:::So, in other words: Carp are still the most dangerous river fish. [[User:MC Dirty|MC Dirty]] 23:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
-== Ocean fishing ==
-I can't seem to get my dwarves to fish in the ocean.  Is there some special technique required to accomplish this, like a pier?  (As a sidenote, my pier appears totally ineffective!)  If so, I think it should be documented here or on the ocean page, or both. --[[Special:Contributions/24.20.44.252|24.20.44.252]] 02:01, 22 February 2010 (UTC)