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User talk:GarrieIrons

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This is my talk page. You might like to email me instead, I will probably check that more often. --GarrieIrons 03:04, 2 January 2008 (EST)

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Stone

Could you explain why you a removing category:stone from things which are clearly stones? VengefulDonut 10:51, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Ah, I see how you want to set it up. However, I think we should consider alternative ways to set up the subcategories. VengefulDonut 10:54, 11 February 2008 (EST)
Hi Vengeful (thought better not use the initials ?). As you seem to have worked out - Category:Ore etc are subcats of Category:Stone, so articles don't need to be members of both - especially when there are great list articles about the place, which I am more than happy to contribute to.
I'd rather be bold than wait for others to agree, but I won't object if someone reverts it because it's too logical but not common sense.GarrieIrons 01:36, 12 February 2008 (EST)
Here's the problem as I see it with stones in general. Each of them falls under several types of subcats (with different kinds of relationships). All ores are economic stones. Some, but not all, economic stones are in sedimentary layers. Maybe there should even be a category for layer-type stones, which would also intersect (but not contain nor be contained by) economic stones. While I like the idea of partitioning the stone category, I would only want to do it if an elegant way is found. These are the possible categories a stone can fall under and their relationships:
- x Economic Non-Economic Ore Layer-type Sed Ig.Extr. Ig.Intr. Metamorphic Generic
Economic x Mut.Exclusive Contains Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects Mut.Exclusive
Non-Economic Mut.Exclusive x Mut.Exclusive Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects Contains
Ore Subset Mut.Exclusive x Mut.Exclusive Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects Mut.Exclusive
Layer-type Intersects Intersects Mut.Exclusive x Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects Mut.Exclusive
Sed Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects x Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects
Ig.Extr. Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects x Intersects Intersects Intersects
Ig.Intr. Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects x Intersects Intersects
Metamorphic Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects x Intersects
Generic Mut.Exclusive Subset Mut.Exclusive Mut.Exclusive Intersects Intersects Intersects Intersects x
The fact that economic and non-economic stones are mutually exclusive makes it tempting to partition them that way, but there are other possible arrangements with the same qualifications — I don't think any of them are very appealing. The reason I made the big lump in the first place was because of this very problem. VengefulDonut 02:27, 12 February 2008 (EST)
Although the ores do have an economic purpose - in-game they are seperate classes at least per the stockpile menu. I think as much as possible, the groupings in-game are the best ones to use because after all this is a wiki about a single game universe. The layers etc are observed characteristics of that universe but they are not immediately noticable and less likely search criterion for gamers seeking info (once you know the other mechanics chances are you know which ones are stones vs gems).GarrieIrons 04:03, 12 February 2008 (EST)