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Profession pages seem to exist for most of the categories. Should those categories link through to the matching profession page when available? I think it would aid navigation some. --EpeeGnome 2:33am 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 
Profession pages seem to exist for most of the categories. Should those categories link through to the matching profession page when available? I think it would aid navigation some. --EpeeGnome 2:33am 27 July 2010 (UTC)
  
== Skill level impact ==
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How would people feel about a separate article on '''jobs''' (instead of having it redirected here)? Explanations of the {{k|j}}obs list, the relative priority of different jobs, and how the manager's jobs screen affects them, would fit better in such an article, which is probably why they're not in this one.--[[User:Marty Smunstu|Marty Smunstu]] 00:26, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 
 
A rather major piece of information appears to be either completely missing, or vaguely mentioned in various places - namely the effect of each skill on the labor outcome.
 
 
 
Since I have no idea how to edit a wikitable, and neither a complete understanding of the issue (just started playing, which is how I came across this omission in the first place), I would appreciate your help with rectifying this situation. So far I've gathered the following information (though cannot guarantee it's accuracy) - please review, edit, and merge with the labor table on the info page once the listing is completed and verified.
 
 
 
The results of my digging through (I apologize for the poor formatting, complete novice at this). I tried to refrain from assumptions and base the below only on clear statements in subsequent pages or discussions:
 
 
 
 
 
*Category: Labors:      Affects Work Quality:            Affects Work Speed:
 
 
 
 
 
Mining
 
 
 
    * Mining                  Chance of ore/gem drop          Yes
 
 
 
Woodworker
 
 
 
    * Carpentry              Yes                              Yes
 
    * Crossbow-making        Yes                              Yes
 
    * Wood cutting            ?                                ?
 
 
 
Stoneworking
 
 
 
    * Masonry                Yes                              Yes
 
    * Stone detailing        Engraving only                  Yes? (Both Engraving and Smoothing?)
 
 
 
Hunting/Related
 
 
 
    * Animal training        ?                                ?
 
    * Animal care            ?                                ?
 
    * Hunting                  ^Skill level impacts the speed of a hunting (Ambushing) dwarf
 
    * Trapping                Created Traps only?              ?
 
    * Small animal dissection ?                                ?
 
 
 
Healthcare
 
 
 
    * Diagnosis              ?                                ?
 
    * Surgery                ?
 
    * Setting bones          ?                                ?
 
    * Suturing                ?                                ?
 
    * Dressing wounds        ?                                ?
 
    * Feed patients/prisoners ?                                ?
 
    * Recovering wounded      ?                                ?
 
 
 
Farming/Related
 
 
 
    * Butchery                ?                                Yes
 
    * Tanning                ?                                Yes
 
    * Farming (fields)        Produced Stack size              Yes
 
    * Dyeing                  Yes                              Yes
 
    * Soap making            No                              Yes
 
    * Wood burning            ?                                Yes
 
    * Potash making          No                              Yes
 
    * Lye making              No                              Yes
 
    * Milling                No                              Yes
 
    * Brewing                ?                                ?
 
    * Plant gathering        Produced Stack size?            ?
 
    * Plant processing        No?                              Yes? 
 
    * Cheese making          ?                                ?
 
    * Milking                ?                                Only milking vermin-type creatures?
 
    * Shearing                ?                                Yes?
 
    * Spinning                ?                                Yes?
 
    * Cooking                ?                                ?                 
 
    * Pressing                ?                                ?
 
    * Beekeeping              ?                                ?
 
 
 
Fishing/Related
 
 
 
    * Fishing                ?                                Yes
 
    * Fish cleaning          ?                                ?
 
    * Fish dissection        ?                                ?
 
 
 
Metalsmithing
 
 
 
    * Furnace operating      No                              Yes                           
 
    * Weaponsmithing          Yes                              Yes
 
    * Armoring                Yes                              Yes
 
    * Blacksmithing          Yes                              Yes
 
    * Metalcrafting          Yes                              Yes
 
 
 
Jewelry
 
 
 
    * Gem cutting            Large gems & gem crafts only    Yes
 
    * Gem setting            Yes                              Yes
 
 
 
Crafts
 
(I read it somewhere that skill level affects both quality and speed of "all crafts," but thought this could use additional verification)
 
 
 
 
 
    * Leatherworking          Yes                              Yes?
 
    * Woodcrafting            Yes                              Yes
 
    * Stonecrafting          Yes                              Yes?
 
    * Bone carving            Yes                              Yes?
 
    * Glassmaking            ?                                ?
 
    * Weaving                Yes                              Yes?
 
    * Clothesmaking          Yes                              Yes
 
    * Strand extraction      No                              Yes
 
    * Pottery                ?                                ?
 
    * Glazing                Yes?                            ?
 
    * Wax working            ?                                ?
 
 
 
Engineering
 
 
 
    * Siege engineering      Yes?                            ?
 
    * Siege operating        ?                                Speed of reloading
 
    * Mechanics              Yes?                            ?
 
    * Pump operating          ?                                ?
 
 
 
Other Jobs
 
 
 
    * Architecture            "Low" impact on value?          No
 
    * Alchemy - N/A
 
    * Cleaning - not a skill per se
 
 
 
Hope this makes some sense :)
 
--[[User:Sheepify|Sheepify]] 03:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 

Latest revision as of 00:26, 7 August 2011

Aside from the menus being moved around there seems to be something very different going on with labors. Woodcutting for one cannot be done by an unskilled dwarf, and I expect many other labors will be the same way. Doctorzuber 19:45, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Are you quite sure you've enabled it? I haven't tried woodcutting yet but wood burning, smelting, weaponsmithing, masonry, carpentry, animal training, mining, architecture, plant gathering, brewing, cooking, and growing are all good to go. Yes, I embark with unskilled dwarves <g> 70.240.148.81 19:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, there's nothing to enable. Woodcutting is moved to g,b and if a dwarf doesn't have at least one point in it there's just nothing there. Doctorzuber 19:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Woodcutting is in labor preferences (p, l from the (v)iew-menu). There, go to "woodworking" (select with arrow keys, "enter" to go to submenu) and you'll see carpentry, crossbow-making, and wood cutting. --Syndic 20:03, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Aye, under v,<select dwarf>,p,l, and press enter on Woodworking, Carpentry Crossbow-making and Woodcutting should be present to enable/disable. 70.240.148.81 20:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Above anon is me in case anyone wants to snipe at my talk page :P Freeze 20:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, something very odd is happening here then since woodcutting is not in my p,l menu at all. I'm going to restart with some unskilled dwarves and see if the menu is different. Doctorzuber 20:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Riiight... Okay, it's something buggy. For some reason my p,l menu was only showing four things. Restarting and now I see a much longer list with both skilled and unskilled dwarves. Now to try to figure out why it happened. Doctorzuber 20:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
This same thing happened to someone on another forum - it only showed four skill groups. I think they were Miner, Healthcare, Hauling, and something else. --SirPenguin 20:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Same, I restarted and it's fixed, for now. I've made several attempts to recreate it but no luck so far. Not sure if it's relevant but when I only had four labor groups, I also had absolutely nothing showing in the nobles menu. Doctorzuber 20:45, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

So is there a way to toggle an entire labor group on or off? I tried several different keys but couldn't find one. It would be really useful to, for instance, turn off all the hauling labors on your important dwarves. --Valdemar 21:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is a bug or something. Just started my second fortress after screwing up my first royally, but I'm still learning. The labor screen, when I go to any dwarf appears to be missing most options. The only options I can toggle are Mining, Hauling and Other. The only work they do is that which I trained them for on the embark screen. I don't remember this on my first fortress, but I only learnt about it after several months so I'm not sure if there are any requirements for it Nevermind, found someone in the bugs discussion suffering the same problem, so question answered--Sepheris 09:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Profession pages seem to exist for most of the categories. Should those categories link through to the matching profession page when available? I think it would aid navigation some. --EpeeGnome 2:33am 27 July 2010 (UTC)

How would people feel about a separate article on jobs (instead of having it redirected here)? Explanations of the jobs list, the relative priority of different jobs, and how the manager's jobs screen affects them, would fit better in such an article, which is probably why they're not in this one.--Marty Smunstu 00:26, 7 August 2011 (UTC)