Editing v0.34 Talk:Archery

The wiki is a mess when it comes to ranged archery articles... there's [[crossbow]], [[crossbowman]], [[ammunition]], which solely applies to personal ranged weapon ammunition, no mention much at all on the [[weapon]]s page about blowguns, although the page in 40d had some mention on them, it's not apparently clear that bows are essentially the same thing as crossbows in terms of combat. Bows have [[bowman]].

[[Crossbowman]] and [[Bowman]] are too similar in practice. [[Crossbow]] has a nice detailed exposition, and it used to also encompass quiver, but it could be amalgamated under crossbowman and fleshed out.

I think we should amalgamate [[Bowman]], [[Crossbowman]], and [[quiver]] and [[crossbow]].

GAAAAH it's a mess!

What I want to do is have this archery article as the main pillar of articles about ranged weapons.

Keep articles based underneath it like:
*[[Archery]]
:*[[Ranged weapons and equipment]]
:*[[Ammunition]]
:*[[Squad members dealing solely with ranged weapons]]

Encompass bows, crossbows and blowguns, I guess in this article or in the other.
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-==Reorganization==
+The wiki is a mess when it comes to ranged archery articles... there's [[crossbow]], [[crossbowman]], [[ammunition]], which solely applies to personal ranged weapon ammunition, no mention much at all on the [[weapon]]s page about blowguns, although the page in 40d had some mention on them, it's not apparently clear that bows are essentially the same thing as crossbows in terms of combat. Bows have [[bowman]].
-The wiki has a lot of different ranged articles which essentially cover more than one topic. Crossbowman/Bowman/Marksdwarf is one article. Crossbow/Bow is one article, Quiver and misc. military equipment is one article and then there's Ammunution, Hunter and Ranger, Weapons, and Combat skill. Bows have [[bowman]] as a skill although crossbows have crossbowman or marksdwarf as a skill but they're too similar in practice to warrant two different pages. The article for the [[Crossbow]] item has a nice detailed exposition, and in the 40d version it used to encompass the quiver item, but it also essentially covers the bow item as well although there's not much mention of bow materials/weights and if they're different which might be nice if someone would pull that out of the raws
-Archer, or [[Archery]] should be the main page which all references to the skill ''in general'' should link to as it has all the links to articles which deal with the skill.
+[[Crossbowman]] and [[Bowman]] are too similar in practice. [[Crossbow]] has a nice detailed exposition, and it used to also encompass quiver, but it could be amalgamated under crossbowman and fleshed out.
-Keep articles like:
+I think we should amalgamate [[Bowman]], [[Crossbowman]], and [[quiver]] and [[crossbow]].
-*[[Archery]]
-:*''Links to all archery-based articles.'' --updated [[User:Richards|Richards]] 13:19, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
-I'd like to hear some ideas.
+GAAAAH it's a mess!
-==Furthest engagement distance==
+What I want to do is have this archery article as the main pillar of articles about ranged weapons.
-The furthest distance of engagement is 21 tiles including the tile that the Dwarf is on. This means diagonally too. This was tested in the object testing arena. Dwarves will also shoot at 21 tiles away from themselves from 3 z-levels up, and that's the highest that the object testing arena goes up, so it might be higher.
-:My anecdotal understanding was that the range of engagement was a sphere of radius 20 centered on the archer, and that there is no benefit or penalty to being higher or lower than the target beyond the reduction in horizontal range.--[[User:UristDaVinci|UristDaVinci]] 05:49, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
-:I had a somewhat skilled Marksdwarf/Archer shoot at a Yeti and 2 Louse Men over a distance oft at least 35 tiles.
+Keep articles based underneath it like:
-:This happened after they "interrupted" him, while he was supposed to be fighting another Louse Man, and he decided to fetch more ammo despite still having 10 shots or so left. He then proceeded to empty his quiver at them at ludicrous distances. He didn't hit a thing, tho. [[Special:Contributions/79.223.183.253|79.223.183.253]] 13:10, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
+*[[Archery]]
+:*[[Ranged weapons and equipment]]
-==Archer Skill==
+:*[[Ammunition]]
-I did some testing on the Archery skill versus no archery skill. There doesn't appear to be any accuracy improvement or firing speed increase.
+:*[[Squad members dealing solely with ranged weapons]]
-Five rounds were done with each dwarf having 100 steel arrows and an iron bow. Each team had 40 dwarfs at the furthest possible distance; 20 tiles away from each other on a pedestal. Team 1, (or skilled dwarves), had Grand Master Bowdwarf and Grandmaster Archer. Team 2, or (skill-less dwarves), only had Grand Master Bowdwarf.
-Round one : The skilled won with I think 4 dwarves to spare
-Round two : The skill-less team won with I think 6 dwarves to spare
-Round three : The skilled team won with 10 dwarves to spare. I gave them all full plate copper armor and grand master armor user,
-Round four : The skilled team won with 20 dwarves to spare. 19 tiles away same teams.
-Round five : The skill-less dwarves won with 15 remaining. I gave them all full plate steel armor
-I don't think the Archery skill does anything. Feel free to test.
---[[User:Richards|Richards]] 18:15, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
-== rate of fire vs marksdwarf skill rank ==
-Tested in arena using 15 Giant Desert Scorpions with featherwood crossbows and 100 featherwood bolts against 1 giant sponge vampire. The GDS won't gain experience from shooting, and the GSV won't die.
-{| class="wikitable sortable"
-!rank !! shots fired !! relative speed
-|-
-|14 || 98 || 1.69
-|-
-|13 || 95 || 1.64
-|-
-|12 || 95 || 1.64
-|-
-|11 || 94 || 1.62
-|-
-|10 || 92 || 1.59
-|-
-|9 || 92 || 1.59
-|-
-|8 || 90 || 1.55
-|-
-|7 || 88 || 1.52
-|-
-|6 || 86 || 1.48
-|-
-|5 || 84 || 1.45
-|-
-|4 || 80 || 1.38
-|-
-|3 || 74 || 1.28
-|-
-|2 || 68 || 1.17
-|-
-|1 || 61 || 1.05
-|-
-|0 || 58 || 1.00
-|}
-It appears that there is a dramatic improvement in firing speed from rank 0 (dabbling) to rank 5 (proficient), followed by diminishing returns. The graph of the data looks like an exponential decay function.
-Keep in mind that Toady likely controls the rate of fire by altering the "reload time", and that the time between shots is rounded to an integer number of ticks.--[[User:UristDaVinci|UristDaVinci]] 05:03, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
+Encompass bows, crossbows and blowguns, I guess in this article or in the other.