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These items I haven't tested and I'm completely unsure about: | These items I haven't tested and I'm completely unsure about: | ||
| − | * [[Milk]] and | + | * <s>[[Milk]] and [[cheese]]. These don't have [[Material definition token#IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL|IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL]] but they are obviously animal products</s> |
** ''Tested cheese, didn't have any milk in an elf-safe container but that shouldn't be hard to arrange [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 16:12, 13 January 2023 (UTC)'' | ** ''Tested cheese, didn't have any milk in an elf-safe container but that shouldn't be hard to arrange [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 16:12, 13 January 2023 (UTC)'' | ||
| + | ** ''Milk is okay too, huh [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 16:59, 13 January 2023 (UTC)'' | ||
* [[Extract]]s - Likewise. Both plant and animal extracts would need to be tested separately | * [[Extract]]s - Likewise. Both plant and animal extracts would need to be tested separately | ||
* [[Venom]] - Also likewise, although this will be hard to test | * [[Venom]] - Also likewise, although this will be hard to test | ||
| − | * Gem windows and large gems made of crystal or clear glass | + | * <s>Gem windows and large gems made of crystal or clear glass</s> |
| + | **''Gem windows are buildings, not discrete objects, duh. [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 17:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)'' | ||
| + | **''I tested large gems made of horn and they got bounced. I need to test large clear glass gems but I think it does check mats on large gems. [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 17:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)'' | ||
| + | **''Large clear and crystal glass gems are indeed unacceptable'' [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 09:53, 17 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
* <s>[[Remains]] (can these even be hauled to the depot? I forget)</s> | * <s>[[Remains]] (can these even be hauled to the depot? I forget)</s> | ||
**''they can't [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 15:43, 13 January 2023 (UTC))'' | **''they can't [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 15:43, 13 January 2023 (UTC))'' | ||
| − | * [[Codex|Codices]] and [[traction bench]]es. These items can involve [[parchment]] [[sheet]]s or [[wool]] [[rope]]s in their creation. Due to a bug<!--{{bug|9409}}-->, they can lose the material definition from these components as part of assembling a [[quire]] into a codex or a [[table]], rope, and [[mechanism]] into a traction bench. Note that a codex made with a [[wood]]en [[Book binding|binding]] or a traction bench made with a wooden table would not be acceptable in any case. | + | * [[Codex|Codices]] <s>and [[traction bench]]es</s>. These items can involve [[parchment]] [[sheet]]s or [[wool]] [[rope]]s in their creation. Due to a bug<!--{{bug|9409}}-->, they can lose the material definition from these components as part of assembling a [[quire]] into a codex or a [[table]], rope, and [[mechanism]] into a traction bench. Note that a codex made with a [[wood]]en [[Book binding|binding]] or a traction bench made with a wooden table would not be acceptable in any case. |
| + | ** ''Both of the parts of a traction bench that can be non-elf-safe are still present on the final product, so this isn't accurate for them. Still need to test with books [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 02:03, 14 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
* [[Instrument]]s are just a giant question mark | * [[Instrument]]s are just a giant question mark | ||
* [[Scroll]]s made with [[scroll roller]]s made from [[wood]] or clear or crystal [[glass]], or [[Codex|codices]] bound with [[hair]] or [[wool]]en [[thread]]. | * [[Scroll]]s made with [[scroll roller]]s made from [[wood]] or clear or crystal [[glass]], or [[Codex|codices]] bound with [[hair]] or [[wool]]en [[thread]]. | ||
There are a few things I was sure enough about to put/keep in the article itself, but I do want to double-check: | There are a few things I was sure enough about to put/keep in the article itself, but I do want to double-check: | ||
| − | * Soap made from oil. The bug report is still open but the soap material template seems to be IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL regardless of the source lipid, unless I'm misreading it. | + | * <s>Soap made from oil. The bug report is still open but the soap material template seems to be IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL regardless of the source lipid, unless I'm misreading it.</s> |
| − | * Bee stuff. No IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL but I haven't tried to trade them in particular | + | ** ''Whatever it is, plant soap is okay and tallow soap is not. [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 17:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)'' |
| + | * <s>Bee stuff. No IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL but I haven't tried to trade them in particular</s> | ||
| + | ** ''Wax is okay. [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 05:00, 3 February 2023 (UTC)'' | ||
* Blood. IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL and would be very hard to test, mainly on there because I'm pretty sure about it and it's funny | * Blood. IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL and would be very hard to test, mainly on there because I'm pretty sure about it and it's funny | ||
| − | * The glass stuff. | + | * The glass stuff. |
| − | * Eggs. IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL but I haven't tested it | + | ** ''The raw glass/cut glass bug is still there. [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 17:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)'' |
| − | * Is charcoal actually offensive? I've never really tried to sell my precious, precious fuel | + | * <s>Eggs. IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL but I haven't tested it</s> |
| + | ** ''Eggs get bounced [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 01:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)'' | ||
| + | * <s>Is charcoal actually offensive? I've never really tried to sell my precious, precious fuel</s> | ||
| + | ** ''Yes, as is ash lol [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 16:59, 13 January 2023 (UTC)'' | ||
Stuff that might be questionable but I've tested myself: | Stuff that might be questionable but I've tested myself: | ||
Latest revision as of 05:00, 3 February 2023
Elves[edit]
I'm working on rewriting this page to take into account all of the changes to diplomacy and the civilizations screen since it was last updated. There's a lot of work to do.
One of the biggest changes was how elven ethics changed to reject IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL items. I updated it with everything I was reasonably sure about, but some things I'm only partially sure about and some things are just completely untested. I intend to check these myself, but if anyone wants to do the work in the meantime, I wouldn't mind.
These items I haven't tested and I'm completely unsure about:
Milk and cheese. These don't have IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL but they are obviously animal products- Tested cheese, didn't have any milk in an elf-safe container but that shouldn't be hard to arrange Desistance (talk) 16:12, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- Milk is okay too, huh Desistance (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- Extracts - Likewise. Both plant and animal extracts would need to be tested separately
- Venom - Also likewise, although this will be hard to test
Gem windows and large gems made of crystal or clear glass- Gem windows are buildings, not discrete objects, duh. Desistance (talk) 17:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- I tested large gems made of horn and they got bounced. I need to test large clear glass gems but I think it does check mats on large gems. Desistance (talk) 17:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- Large clear and crystal glass gems are indeed unacceptable Desistance (talk) 09:53, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Remains (can these even be hauled to the depot? I forget)- they can't Desistance (talk) 15:43, 13 January 2023 (UTC))
- Codices
and traction benches. These items can involve parchment sheets or wool ropes in their creation. Due to a bug, they can lose the material definition from these components as part of assembling a quire into a codex or a table, rope, and mechanism into a traction bench. Note that a codex made with a wooden binding or a traction bench made with a wooden table would not be acceptable in any case.- Both of the parts of a traction bench that can be non-elf-safe are still present on the final product, so this isn't accurate for them. Still need to test with books Desistance (talk) 02:03, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- Instruments are just a giant question mark
- Scrolls made with scroll rollers made from wood or clear or crystal glass, or codices bound with hair or woolen thread.
There are a few things I was sure enough about to put/keep in the article itself, but I do want to double-check:
Soap made from oil. The bug report is still open but the soap material template seems to be IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL regardless of the source lipid, unless I'm misreading it.- Whatever it is, plant soap is okay and tallow soap is not. Desistance (talk) 17:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Bee stuff. No IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL but I haven't tried to trade them in particular- Wax is okay. Desistance (talk) 05:00, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- Blood. IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL and would be very hard to test, mainly on there because I'm pretty sure about it and it's funny
- The glass stuff.
- The raw glass/cut glass bug is still there. Desistance (talk) 17:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Eggs. IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL but I haven't tested it- Eggs get bounced Desistance (talk) 01:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Is charcoal actually offensive? I've never really tried to sell my precious, precious fuel- Yes, as is ash lol Desistance (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Stuff that might be questionable but I've tested myself:
- Ash glaze bug is still there.
Ideally a Template:Mod section with a full rundown of what makes an item offensive to elves would be also helpful, but it's a bit beyond my depth. I assume items with IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL are not okay, and any item tagged as grown is always okay even if it would otherwise be unacceptable, but I don't know how the tree taboo works, or how grown items are flagged. This would be cool to have but I don't know enough about the internal workings to write it. Desistance (talk) 04:20, 10 January 2023 (UTC)