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* [[Venom]] - Also likewise, although this will be hard to test | * [[Venom]] - Also likewise, although this will be hard to test | ||
* Gem windows and large gems made of crystal or clear glass | * Gem windows and large gems made of crystal or clear glass | ||
| − | * [[Remains]] (can these even be hauled to the depot? I forget) | + | * <s>[[Remains]] (can these even be hauled to the depot? I forget)</s> (''they can't'' [[User:Desistance|Desistance]] ([[User talk:Desistance|talk]]) 15:43, 13 January 2023 (UTC)) |
* [[Codex|Codices]] and [[traction bench]]es. These items can involve [[parchment]] [[sheet]]s or [[wool]] [[rope]]s in their creation. Due to a bug<!--{{bug|9409}}-->, they can lose the material definition from these components as part of assembling a [[quire]] into a codex or a [[table]], rope, and [[mechanism]] into a traction bench. Note that a codex made with a [[wood]]en [[Book binding|binding]] or a traction bench made with a wooden table would not be acceptable in any case. | * [[Codex|Codices]] and [[traction bench]]es. These items can involve [[parchment]] [[sheet]]s or [[wool]] [[rope]]s in their creation. Due to a bug<!--{{bug|9409}}-->, they can lose the material definition from these components as part of assembling a [[quire]] into a codex or a [[table]], rope, and [[mechanism]] into a traction bench. Note that a codex made with a [[wood]]en [[Book binding|binding]] or a traction bench made with a wooden table would not be acceptable in any case. | ||
* [[Instrument]]s are just a giant question mark | * [[Instrument]]s are just a giant question mark | ||
Revision as of 15:43, 13 January 2023
Elves
I'm working on rewriting this page to take into account all of the changes to diplomacy and the civilizations screen since it was last updated. There's a lot of work to do.
One of the biggest changes was how elven ethics changed to reject IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL items. I updated it with everything I was reasonably sure about, but some things I'm only partially sure about and some things are just completely untested. I intend to check these myself, but if anyone wants to do the work in the meantime, I wouldn't mind.
These items I haven't tested and I'm completely unsure about:
- Milk and cheese. These don't have IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL but they are obviously animal products
- Extracts - Likewise. Both plant and animal extracts would need to be tested separately
- Venom - Also likewise, although this will be hard to test
- Gem windows and large gems made of crystal or clear glass
Remains (can these even be hauled to the depot? I forget)(they can't Desistance (talk) 15:43, 13 January 2023 (UTC))- Codices and traction benches. These items can involve parchment sheets or wool ropes in their creation. Due to a bug, they can lose the material definition from these components as part of assembling a quire into a codex or a table, rope, and mechanism into a traction bench. Note that a codex made with a wooden binding or a traction bench made with a wooden table would not be acceptable in any case.
- Instruments are just a giant question mark
- Scrolls made with scroll rollers made from wood or clear or crystal glass, or codices bound with hair or woolen thread.
There are a few things I was sure enough about to put/keep in the article itself, but I do want to double-check:
- Soap made from oil. The bug report is still open but the soap material template seems to be IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL regardless of the source lipid, unless I'm misreading it.
- Bee stuff. No IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL but I haven't tried to trade them in particular
- Blood. IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL and would be very hard to test, mainly on there because I'm pretty sure about it and it's funny
- The glass stuff.
- Eggs. IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL but I haven't tested it
- Is charcoal actually offensive? I've never really tried to sell my precious, precious fuel
Stuff that might be questionable but I've tested myself:
- Ash glaze bug is still there.
Ideally a Template:Mod section with a full rundown of what makes an item offensive to elves would be also helpful, but it's a bit beyond my depth. I assume items with IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL are not okay, and any item tagged as grown is always okay even if it would otherwise be unacceptable, but I don't know how the tree taboo works, or how grown items are flagged. This would be cool to have but I don't know enough about the internal workings to write it. Desistance (talk) 04:20, 10 January 2023 (UTC)