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v0.31 Talk:Skill
Migrants
You can get migrants at any skill level, in any skill. I've got strand extractors before discovering adamantium, and legendary migrants before they've done any work.
Teacher/Leader/Student
Are these related to the new military training system, or are they something else, like a general ability to learn? Or is the dwarf's learning ability based on his attributes? Would a dwarf with high leader skill be better at running a fortress, or is that for running a squad? --Kydo 14:43, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Toady said something about them being able to only teach weapon skills, and the general combat / dodging sort of abilities, so I don't think they have any other impact.
Skill levels
Ok, I just took this from the 40d version, as I assume most of this wouldn't have changed, but I don't know how to check for the appropriate xp values. So far I think the order remained unchanged, except "No label" got replaced by "Adequate", and I'm relatively sure Dabbling through Competent are still correct, and Great through Legendary. I just put this here to reflect the "Adequate" change, and so anybody who knows how to check for the rest can update and put it into the wiki page, as it's lacking at the moment. I added the question marks so people can remove them once they confirm the levels, and change the order if it is found to be different. --Ramperkash 16:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC+2)
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- I can now confirm that the skill levels remained the same (up to Legendary at least), except that the "Adequate" prefix replaced the "No-label" one, and I still don't know how to test the xp values, might be able to check them in adventure mode. --Ramperkash 17:26, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
- They appear to be unchanged when I look at them in Dwarf Therapist. Garanis 17:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
- This would not go on this page, it would go on experience.--Albedo 21:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
- They appear to be unchanged when I look at them in Dwarf Therapist. Garanis 17:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
A list of skill descriptors on this page would be useful and this table is as good as any, though perhaps the numbers aren't needed here Cpad 02:32, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Quality Skills
I've been trying to compose a list of skills where level affects quality modifiers, versus skills where level is otherwise important, versus skills where level only affects speed.
Affects Quality: Architect (cannot have mood) Mason Engraver (cannot have mood) Mechanic Carpenter Bowyer Siege Engineer Cook Trapper (for making traps) Weaponsmith Armorsmith Blacksmith Metal Crafter Bone Carver Stone Crafter (though, who cares, amirite?) Wood Crafter (even more useless) Leatherworker Weaver Gem Cutter Gem Setter
Otherwise Important: Miner (get all them gems) Planter (for fat stacks) All medical All military Judge of Intent Appraiser
Just speed: Organizer Record Keeper Soap Maker All others
This seems pretty final now, so I'mma go figure out how to make a table on this wiki. --Zombiejustice 17:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
skill penalties
I'm pretty sure I've seen my legendary miners not dropping stone (or rough jewels, or ore), if they're exhausted, so it does seem to be a straight penalty. I'll add it to the article provisionally. Could someone else verify?
- Toady commented that as of 31.08, this should only apply to "starving" people (and presumably dehydrated) (comment at http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=8). What have your mining experiences been in 31.08? -- Creidieki 05:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- I was pretty confident that it was exhaustion, but it's entirely possible I mistook a brown arrow for a gray one.75.164.146.98 02:40, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Layout
Could someone please edit the layout so that the skill levels is side-by-side with the skills available? Would make a much better page layout and easy reference at a glance. -Dezbro 03:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Skill Rust
I believe that Skill Rust should be incorporated into the Skill article of this Wiki, rather than having a separate article. -Kogan Loloklam 14:02, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Example of negative effect of skill rust: adept metalcrafter (very rusty) produces items of basic quality only. "Only" as in 15 or 20 in a row. Also dwarf with rusty skill gets less XP per job. I saw numbers as little as 14 XP vs 30 XP for not rusty skill. Elfy 22:57, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
- I think this holds true. My Expert Armorsmith (Very Rusty) produced a basic copper mail shirt and at rusty he produced only a well crafted. --Egodeus 19:45, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
- I have observed that dwarves with rusty skills won't do work in workshops that have their profile set above some minimum, probably dabbling, even if the skill to be used is of a sufficiently high level. It could mean that (rusty) and (very rusty) skills temporarily set the skill level to dabbling until the (rusty) and (very rusty) tags are removed. --Teddy 22:27, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
I *think* that skills out of use for an extremely long time start to fall in levels - my bookkeeper was a High Master Fish Dissector when he turned up a few years back, he's now a Master Fish Dissector. I'll keep a better eye on this and report back.--Nimblewright 21:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
- I think it's true. I have a bunch of stonecrafters from Master to Grand Master levels which could only be formerly Legendary from mood as I don't do much stonecrafting. Elfy 00:58, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- I'm just starting the Autumn of my first year in-fortress, and all my unused Novice and Adequate skills among the starting expedition are already listed as Rusty. This is particularly worrisome since my Doctor and Appraiser skills were at Novice. Romeofalling 21:58, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
It looks like rust comes off in layers. I just watched as my Proficient (very rusty) architect designed two buildings. After the first he was merely rusty, and after the second he was simply Proficient. It's a single sample, but still. --Oddrune 22:56, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
- Again I think this is true, since my expert (very rusty) armorsmith became just rusty after making one mailshirt and the just expert after a second. --Egodeus 19:45, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I didn't notice any affect on my medic staff due to "rusty" skills, They still worked as though their skills were normal. I didn't think to check xp earned, I have noticed atrophy(loss of skill lvl) in my other fortresses after reaching "very rusty". I'm Incorporating a "danger room" and I'll monitor xp earned. --Nordak
Do legendary skills rust? I usually disable mining on my legendary miners, but haven't seen any rust yet.--Droid 16:41, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- They certainly do - I've had dwarves go moody and become legendary wood crafters, and they eventually rusted below legendary. --Quietust 17:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed that higher level skills seem to rust faster in some way than lower level skills. My Proficient Diagnostician/Adequate Wound Dresser/Novice Suturer/Surgeon/Bone Doctor Chief Medical Dwarf gained the (very rusty) tag on his Diagnostician level pretty quickly, while the rest of his medical skills remained at (rusty) until they started to be used three years after arrival. The same applied to my Skilled Weaponsmith/Competent Armorsmith/Metalsmith. --Teddy 22:37, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Bugs? Mainly with modding
Would putting in a bug section be out of place if the bugs are solely on the modding side? Like warning modders that if you disable one skill in a metaskill group the whole metaskill group disappears? KaelemGaen 14:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think it would be worth it... just put the bugs in the discussion thread and if somebody feels like it maybe they will transpose them in the main page. Speed112 16:32, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
On Wrestlers and Bronze Colossuses
I had a fresh recruit fighting a Bronze Colossus for some reason. Obviously, without any skills to his name, he immediately began wrestling the thing. The next instant, he was an Elite Wrestler. I imagine that trying to wrestle a gigantic living bronze statue can be an extraordinary learning experience. Although he was pummeled into a pulp despite his new elite-ness, does anyone know exactly why this happened?--162.83.223.4 02:54, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, this happens in any combat now. Before (or after?) dying military dwarf is promoted. It looks very funny. --Elfy 01:01, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Colossi. :P -- 192.203.222.78 02:56, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Managing Skills
A general page or section on managing skills of dwarves would be helpful. what labor preferences (and therefore skills) are good to give in combination? A table summarizing which skills allow operation of what buildings or other activities would also be helpful, they're not all obvious, and the summary could be one line, instead of going to a nearly blank page to find out. (Animal dissection allows what now? I go to the animal dissector page, which is almost entirely empty, to find out.)
Is there any way to find which dwarves are the highest in a skill? list them by skill level in a selected category? my best woodcutter committed suicide, now i need to find someone else and transfer the axe to them... but i have no idea how to do that, other than painfully going through the entire roster. -- 192.203.222.78 02:55, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- The first part, the table, is a good suggestion. The second part: In the nobles screen, when replacing nobles dwarves are sorted by most skill related to that position. Other than that, I think you need something like Dwarf Therapist to compare stats easily. Calite 03:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Immgrant combat Skills
When looking for dwarves to draft in Dwarf Therapist, I noticed that dwarves immigrating with relatively high military skills mostly have high civilian skills. Can anyone verify? --Blur 13:47, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
Adventure Mode Skills vs. Fortress Mode Skill Categories
A search for "skill" or "skills" points to this page. Yet this page is categorized for Fortress Mode according to dwarf jobs. I think this arrangement can be slightly confusing for newbie Adventure Mode players.
Also, I do realize that a page for Template:L does not exist yet. But the Template:L link is currently listed under "Other Jobs". There is no Fortress Mode job that uses the Knapper skill... is there? If not, perhaps Template:L should be moved to the "Miscellaneous" category?
Finally, I could not seem to get the Template:L skill to work in vanilla DF in Adventure Mode. I tried holding a small stone in each hand, with nothing else in my hands, but there was no option to knap with them from the "x" perform action menu. I did put 5 points into Knapper at character creation to start out as "Novice". Is there some other requirement? Does it require certain types of hard stone, such as flint or obsidian? --Thundercraft 22:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)