v0.31 Talk:Experience

What is Experience?

(I'm brand new so let me know if I'm doing something wrong here) It would be nice if this page had info more on what xp is instead of just details on it. Maybe, how xp is earned, how you know you have earned it, where you can view how much xp a dwarf has earned, ect... Zerocyde 08:37, 21 August 2010

Legendary +1...

Do we have any proof - or even any hint - that these still exist?--Albedo 21:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Only in the sense that they *used to* exist. I left it on the table; if someone else is braver than I, they can remove it until such time as they are proved to exist and matter. 129.2.164.85

At least in adventure mode it is possible to have a higher level than 500. I had a wrestler and fighter skill of about [*****/50000], which would be a level of (50000/100(for the experience))-5(for starting experience) which is about level 495. I got this by wrestling a bronze titancolossus after I dropped him into a murky pool. I have still a pic of THAT but not of the experience. I haven't modded the game nor used cheats/hacks. I try to redo that (deleted the save) and make PICS! Not needed you can use the battle arena to do this. Just make a bronze colossus in the water and another creature on the ground above the water. Then attack/wrestle it. You easy get a very high wrestling skill since EVERY attack of wrestling increases wrestling and fighter about 5000-30000 points.

On this topic, I have evidence (if not proof) that Legendary +1 (etc.) exist. I have two miners, both legendary, but one of whom has been mining for a quite a bit longer, and mines appreciably faster (50% faster or so). So, there could be other factors at work here, but the obvious answer is Legendary+1. Rodya mirov

Whatever Dwarf Therapist uses for it seems to think so because it's still listed as legandary +x. Mason ^(T-C) 18:53, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Technically, skill beyond Legendary wouldn't have any effect on miners, but it would have an effect on anybody producing goods - a straight Legendary mason would occasionally produce *superior* goods, while Legendary+5 would be strictly ≡exceptional≡ and ☼masterwork☼ goods. Considering this behavior has been present ever since the 2D version, it's highly unlikely that it would have been removed now. --Quietust 19:24, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

It's not been removed - levels 16-20 still show in memory. The effects of levels 16-20 on produced item quality could have changed (but do not appear to based on anecdotal tests of legendary engravers). Bpuk 22:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I second this, tho for a different reason - I've had my broker switch to "administrator" type from "miner" (he is legendary at both, and had just bought about 11k of goods). Give him a pick and set him to mine, soon enough he's back to "miner" type. Despite being legendary in both a few years back. - Nimblewright (forgot to sign in)

I most definitely have a Legendary +5 Gem Cutter, if that means anything.

Why do we still have the verifies? It's in the memory, so I guess we can at least say the skills are 'assumed' to have an effect instead? Also, skills go up to skill 255, after that it either overflows to dabbling (skill 0) or there is code to prevent that (which the disassembler does not show, leading me to believe it does infact overflow). The adventure mode statistics are, memory-wise, correct, but the thing that needs to be verified is wheather those higher skills have any use. Looking at my craftdwarf's workshops, it seems that the 40d Leg+x skill bonuses still apply, but that may be statistical error. --Dree12 21:25, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I have several Legendary+5 Dwarves according to Dwarf Therapist, they have yet to produce a single object of less than exceptional quality. So I consider the existance of these skill level pretty much proven.

Experience amounts

The experience amounts listed in this table are wrong. They are not 1..2..3.. etc. They are the same as the 40d table. Garanis 02:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Atrophy of skills

I started a game with a proficient farmer but never planted anything. I can verify that after 5 game years, my proficient farmer "rusted" to be skilled. So, I assume he lost experience like Toady noted would be included in this release. I don't know when exactly it happened, but on those scales it doesn't really bear mentioning. If you had a legendary it would never really come into play. I don't know if it even bears mentioning on the page. Anyone? --Kwieland 21:48, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I can confirm this. A proficient Bowyer became skilled after years without work. It was after around five years too. Dwarf Therapist shows that the progress of experience of the Dwarf is 0% towards next level. Because he has never worked as Bowyer, it might be that the experience is set to the pevious level with or without the progress. --Blur 11:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Experience, fey moods and masterwork

Hi, I don't have an account here yet so I guess I'm just anonymous, but I noticed that when a dwarf suddenly does a masterpiece their experience level jumps realllly high. I had a Competent Trapper do some Engraving, but then she turned out a series of masterpieces and she became Legendary. She still consistently makes masterpiece engravings; she can even fill an entire announcement page of masterpieces in minutes.

Another dwarf of mine, a Competent Gem Setter, was hit by a fey mood and constructed an artifact amulet. He became Legendary after that. Couldn't sell the artifact. Wish I could, though; it's worth 72000 DB. --Unnoskol--

Masterpieces don't boost experience - it's just that Engraving trains up more quickly at higher skill levels, and high skill levels result in more frequent Masterwork products. As for strange moods, a successful mood (provided it wasn't a Possession) grants 20,000 experience points, which is enough to boost to Legendary+1. --Quietust 15:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, I also have a Carpenter who reached High Master from Adequate after a string of masterpiece beds. And I also have a Competent Leatherworker who shot up to High Master after a few masterpiece bags. I'm serious; please verify. Unnoskol 15:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I put a debugger trap on experience gain and ran a new fort for 5 seasons.^v0.31.12  I filtered out all gains of 30 points, gains of 10 points associated with mining and engraving, gains of 1 point associated with masonry, and all military and social skills.
The trap caught gains of n*500 to random skills when migrants, merchants, and liaisons were generated, and one gain of 20,000 to carpentry when a strange mood succeeded. No bonuses for creating or engraving a masterwork were detected.
—0x517A5D 06:47, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

As someone unfamiliar with the mechanics behind the system, these numbers mean little to me. Can you explain your conclusions based on this data? --Romeofalling 19:54, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Basically I'm saying that I saw no bonuses related to masterworks.

• Nearly every task completed earns 30 exp. Catching a fish, failing to catch a fish, crafting a mug, distilling some booze, felling a tree, everything.
• Mining and smoothing/engraving earn 10 exp per tile.
• Large buildings (those which require architecture) earn many 1 point gains during their construction — I think this is because their construction can be interrupted and resumed by a different dwarf.
• A successful non-possession strange mood results in a 20,000 exp gain to one skill.
• Those, and unit creation, were the only exp gains I saw.

This does not completely refute the possibility of exp bonuses for masterworks, but any hypothetical bonus would need to be the same 30 points as the normal gain, just applied multiple times. Which seems a very odd way to code it.
—0x517A5D 21:36, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Long Patrol duty

"† Once soldiers reach this level in a weapon skill, they will become a hero and no longer complain about long patrol duty. "

I agree with the first part. The second part seems strange to me. Have you verified this is the case? Make a squad of one with a demand for 10 and have a full train schedule?--Kwieland 16:56, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I've got a bunch of elite soldiers in my current fortress and none of them are unhappy about long patrol duty. 40d (and 23a) was the same way. --Quietust 18:16, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I wanted to see if I could schedule uninterrupted training and mitigate the effects of complaints about long patrol duty, or if I had to include breaks in the schedule. I checked the forums and found this, coincidentally written by Quietust, which indicated that not only was a solid training schedule possible, but that at elite level, bad patrol duty thoughts would go away. I also found this, which tied the cessation of long duty complaints to reaching Great skill level. The section in the wiki that I linked to regarding heroes also mentioned the effects of reaching Great skill level, but didn't explicitly state that it removed bad thoughts about patrol duty. (Hm, I should add this information to that page.) So, I put 2 soldiers in a squad, set to minimum 2, and had them train constantly, to the point where one of them got depressed from long patrol duty. When he reached Great level, though, his mood improved and "long patrol duty" no longer showed up in his thoughts. I don't know how long the gap was between him attaining Great level and me checking his thoughts, since I doubt it simply disappearred, but he had enough time to admire new things for it to not appear in his recent thoughts. --Cali 22:56, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I tried to reproduce the "long patrol duty" and couldn't! I embarked with 5 axe dwarves and had a squad (5/5 ax) set to train year round. They never got the "long patrol duty" thought! What specifically do you have to do to get that bad thought?--Kwieland 21:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Using a new fortress, I once again had 2 soldiers, minimum 2 active, training full-time starting in late spring. I checked their thoughts at the beginning of each month and they began grumbling about long patrol duty in early autumn, four months after training started. They achieved Great skill in mid-autumn, and no longer had long patrol complaints in their recent thoughts by early winter. My soldiers were engaged in regular training with no actual battles during this time; did you use a danger room and/or send your soldiers out to kill wildlife or defend against snatchers? If so, they may have just skilled up faster than mine and reached Great in less than four months, which would mean that they didn't have time to get grumpy about long patrol duty. --Cali 14:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)