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*I've no reason to doubt this is true, but the editor sounded like there was an element of doubt, so just wondering if we can get confirmation. Also, a screenshot mentioned in the edit sounds interesting, and would be quite cool to include in the page, which is quite text dense in this section. [[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 02:49, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 
*I've no reason to doubt this is true, but the editor sounded like there was an element of doubt, so just wondering if we can get confirmation. Also, a screenshot mentioned in the edit sounds interesting, and would be quite cool to include in the page, which is quite text dense in this section. [[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 02:49, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  
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*Editor here re above post: I tried uploading the screenshot of the wereraccoon, but it won't let me upload files. I doubt external links are allowed in page, so I will post the imgur link here and someone with permission can add it: https://imgur.com/a/F0Y72ZA [[User:Scavello|Scavello]] ([[User talk:Scavello]]) 4:33 18 March 2023 (UTC)
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*Editor here re above post: I tried uploading the screenshot of the wereraccoon, but it won't let me upload files. I doubt external links are allowed in page, so I will post the imgur link here and someone with permission can add it: https://imgur.com/a/F0Y72ZA [[User:Scavello|Scavello]] ([[User talk:Scavello|talk]]) 4:33 18 March 2023 (UTC)
  
 
:Thanks, I'll upload the image. You might not have been able to upload if you hadn't made three edits yet on your registered account. Upon reading some relevant wiki sections, I think the sentence might need some rewording, or further investigation: Supposedly werebeasts are immune to traps due to [[Trapavoid]], rather than size. Do you have any more information on catching the wereracoon? Did you have any webs in the room, or mods installed that might have influenced this, for instance? It might even be a bug. Either way, thanks for commenting and sharing the image. It's an interesting discovery that should lead to even more comprehensive wiki info. [[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 15:38, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:Thanks, I'll upload the image. You might not have been able to upload if you hadn't made three edits yet on your registered account. Upon reading some relevant wiki sections, I think the sentence might need some rewording, or further investigation: Supposedly werebeasts are immune to traps due to [[Trapavoid]], rather than size. Do you have any more information on catching the wereracoon? Did you have any webs in the room, or mods installed that might have influenced this, for instance? It might even be a bug. Either way, thanks for commenting and sharing the image. It's an interesting discovery that should lead to even more comprehensive wiki info. [[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 15:38, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
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:I slightly reworded the sentence in question, to reflect the current state of this discussion. [[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 17:34, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:I slightly reworded the sentence in question, to reflect the current state of this discussion. [[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 17:34, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
  
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*There were no webs in the room, and I have no extra mods installed that would affect this (better transparency for smooth stone designation is about it really), and that room specifically works with the wereapes I have in my fortress as well, I have already spread the wereape infection to 2 other "volun-dorfs". Also side note, the wereapes, and wereraccoons do not get along at all. Perhaps I will try the wereraccoon again to see if it continues to happen, maybe also setup a trap gauntlet for it to run to see if it triggers any other traps, that the wereapes don't. [[User:Scavello|Scavello|talk]] 23:41, March 20 2023 (UTC)
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*There were no webs in the room, and I have no extra mods installed that would affect this (better transparency for smooth stone designation is about it really), and that room specifically works with the wereapes I have in my fortress as well, I have already spread the wereape infection to 2 other "volun-dorfs". Also side note, the wereapes, and wereraccoons do not get along at all. Perhaps I will try the wereraccoon again to see if it continues to happen, maybe also setup a trap gauntlet for it to run to see if it triggers any other traps, that the wereapes don't. [[User:Scavello|Scavello]] 23:41, March 20 2023 (UTC)
  
 
*Second test - results: Same sterile test room, no webs, no mods that would interfere, has worked previously with wereapes, wereraccoon was trapped again and did not get a chance to attack the test subject. [[User:Scavello|Scavello]] 04:22, March 22, 2023 (UTC)
 
*Second test - results: Same sterile test room, no webs, no mods that would interfere, has worked previously with wereapes, wereraccoon was trapped again and did not get a chance to attack the test subject. [[User:Scavello|Scavello]] 04:22, March 22, 2023 (UTC)
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*It would be strange if wereraccoons could not be caught in cage traps due to their (small) size. I do not believe we have the numbers for the werebeast sizes (though they would not be difficult to extract), but all manners of creatures such as crundles and stoats can be caught in cage traps - and those are surely smaller. In other words, the only reason for wereraccoons to be trappable would be for there to either be a mechanic which prevents small creatures to be caught in cage traps, which must in that case be new to v50, or for the wereraccoons to have some other token influencing their interaction with traps. Or it could be a bug of course, or human error. --[[User:Voliol|Voliol]] ([[User talk:Voliol|talk]]) 10:44, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
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[[File:Another super soldier 116.png|thumb|right|A successful transmission of the wereape infection to a "volun-dorf"]]
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*It is very strange because the same setup works for the were apes I have in my fort as well, and I have screen shot seen here. It definitely could be a bug, I just haven't gotten into the nitty gritty details of why yet. But I'm happy to provide any further information for people to try and suss this out. I did check the arena yesterday, but unfortunately, the only werecreatures are werepanthers, and you can't place cage traps.
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*Feel free to use this screen shot for the article too [[User:Scavello|Scavello]] ([[User talk:Scavello|talk]]) 21:11, March 24, 2023 (UTC)
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*I just learned of a were-chinchilla attack by him getting caught in a cage trap long before reaching the fortress entrance. Don't know how that affects things, but it seems like not all WB get [[TRAPAVOID]]. I have screenshot but cannot post because I'm a new forum user. [[User:Babaji|Babaji]] ([[User talk:Babaji|talk]]) 23:52, 24 December 2023 (UTC)Babaji
  
 
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The [[Werebeast#Werebeasts_in_fortresses|Werebeasts in fortresses]] section could do with some specific information about visitors being able to transform whilst visiting one of your fortress locations.
 
The [[Werebeast#Werebeasts_in_fortresses|Werebeasts in fortresses]] section could do with some specific information about visitors being able to transform whilst visiting one of your fortress locations.
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== Adding a werecreature list with sprites. ==
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Anyone think the page would look better with this?
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{| class="wikitable" style="float: left;"
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|+ Mammal Werebeasts
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! Graphic || Werecreature
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|-
 +
|[[File:wereanteater_sprite.png]] || Wereanteater*
 +
|-
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|[[File:wereantelope_sprite.png]] || Wereantelope**
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:wereape_sprite.png]] || Wereape**
 +
|-
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|[[File:werearmadillo_sprite.png]] || Werearmadillo
 +
|-
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|[[File:werebadger_sprite.png]] || Werebadger
 +
|-
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|[[File:werebear_sprite.png]] || Werebear**
 +
|-
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|[[File:werebeaver_sprite.png]] || Werebeaver
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:werebison_sprite.png]] || Werebison*
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:werebuffalo_sprite.png]] || Werebuffalo
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:werebull_sprite.png]] || Werebull
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:werecamel_sprite.png]] || Werecamel**
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|-
 +
|[[File:werecapybara_sprite.png]] || Werecapybara
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:werecat_sprite.png]] || Werecat
 +
|-
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|[[File:werecavy_sprite.png]] || Werecavy
 +
|-
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|[[File:werechinchilla_sprite.png]] || Werechinchilla
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|-
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|[[File:werecivet_sprite.png]] || Werecivet*
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|-
 +
|[[File:werecoati_sprite.png]] || Werecoati
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:werecoyote_sprite.png]] || Werecoyote
 +
|-
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|[[File:weredeer_sprite.png]] || Weredeer
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|-
 +
|[[File:weredonkey_sprite.png]] || Weredonkey**
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|-
 +
|[[File:wereelephant_sprite.png]] || Wereelephant
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|-
 +
|[[File:wereelk_sprite.png]] || Wereelk
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|-
 +
|[[File:werefox_sprite.png]] || Werefox
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|-
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|[[File:weregiraffe_sprite.png]] || Weregiraffe
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|-
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|[[File:weregoat_sprite.png]] || Weregoat
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:weregopher_sprite.png]] || Weregopher*
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|-
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|[[File:werehare_sprite.png]] || Werehare
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|-
 +
|[[File:werehedgehog_sprite.png]] || Werehedgehog
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:werehorse_sprite.png]] || Werehorse
 +
|-
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|[[File:werehyena_sprite.png]] || Werehyena
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:werejackal_sprite.png]] || Werejackal
 +
|-
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|[[File:werekangaroo_sprite.png]] || Werekangaroo
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|-
 +
|[[File:werekoala_sprite.png]] || Werekoala
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:werelemur_sprite.png]] || Werelemur*
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|-
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|[[File:werellama_sprite.png]] || Werellama
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|-
 +
|[[File:wereloris_sprite.png]] || Wereloris*
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|-
 +
|[[File:weremammoth_sprite.png]] || Weremammoth*
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|-
 +
|[[File:weremarmot_sprite.png]] || Weremarmot
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:weremole_sprite.png]] || Weremole*
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:weremongoose_sprite.png]] || Weremongoose
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:weremonkey_sprite.png]] || Weremonkey**
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:weremoose_sprite.png]] || Weremoose
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:weremouse_sprite.png]] || Weremouse*
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:wereopossum_sprite.png]] || Wereopossum
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:werepanda_sprite.png]] || Werepanda
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:werepangolin_sprite.png]] || Werepangolin
 +
|-
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|[[File:werebeast_sprite.png]] || Werepanther**
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|-
 +
|[[File:werepig_sprite.png]] || Werepig
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:wereporcupine_sprite.png]] || Wereporcupine
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:wererabbit_sprite.png]] || Wererabbit
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:wereraccoon_sprite.png]] || Wereraccoon
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:wererat_sprite.png]] || Wererat
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:wererhinoceros_sprite.png]] || Wererhinoceros
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|-
 +
|[[File:weresheep_sprite.png]] || Weresheep
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:wereshrew_sprite.png]] || Wereshrew*
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|-
 +
|[[File:wereskunk_sprite.png]] || Wereskunk
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:weresloth_sprite.png]] || Weresloth
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|-
 +
|[[File:weresquirrel_sprite.png]] || Weresquirrel
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:weretapir_sprite.png]] || Weretapir
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:werewarthog_sprite.png]] || Werewarthog
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:wereweasel_sprite.png]] || Wereweasel
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|-
 +
|[[File:werewolf_sprite.png]] || Werewolf
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|-
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|[[File:werewombat_sprite.png]] || Werewombat
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|-
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|[[File:werezebra_sprite.png]] || Werezebra*
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|-
 +
|}
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 +
{| class="wikitable" style="float:left;margin-left: 10px;"
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! Graphic || Werecreature
 +
|+ Reptile Werebeasts
 +
|[[File:werechameleon_sprite.png]] || Werechameleon
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:weregecko_sprite.png]] || Weregecko
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:weregilamonster_sprite.png]] || Weregilamonster
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:wereiguana_sprite.png]] || Wereiguana
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|-
 +
|[[File:werelizard_sprite.png]] || Werelizard
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:weremonitor_sprite.png]] || Weremonitor
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:wereskink_sprite.png]] || Wereskink
 +
|-
 +
|[[File:weretortoise_sprite.png]] || Weretortoise**
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|-
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|[[File:weretortoise_sprite.png]] || Wereturtle
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|-
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|}
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{{clear}}
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:<small>*The animal this corresponds to does not actually appear as a normal [[animal]] in ''Dwarf Fortress''.</small>
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:<small>**This werebeast doesn't correspond clearly to any specific in-game species of animal.</small>
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--[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 05:38, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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:Sprites are certainly good to have! But I wonder if it might look a bit off by how 'vertical' that table is. It's a lot to scroll through. [[User:OluapPlayer|OluapPlayer]] ([[User talk:OluapPlayer|talk]]) 14:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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::What if the tables were collapsible? --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 10:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 10:48, 8 January 2024

Verification notes[edit]

Re: Werebeast#Infecting_your_entire_fort - verification of some were-beasts too small to trap in cage traps.

  • I've no reason to doubt this is true, but the editor sounded like there was an element of doubt, so just wondering if we can get confirmation. Also, a screenshot mentioned in the edit sounds interesting, and would be quite cool to include in the page, which is quite text dense in this section. Alpacalypse (talk) 02:49, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Editor here re above post: I tried uploading the screenshot of the wereraccoon, but it won't let me upload files. I doubt external links are allowed in page, so I will post the imgur link here and someone with permission can add it: https://imgur.com/a/F0Y72ZA Scavello (talk) 4:33 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll upload the image. You might not have been able to upload if you hadn't made three edits yet on your registered account. Upon reading some relevant wiki sections, I think the sentence might need some rewording, or further investigation: Supposedly werebeasts are immune to traps due to Trapavoid, rather than size. Do you have any more information on catching the wereracoon? Did you have any webs in the room, or mods installed that might have influenced this, for instance? It might even be a bug. Either way, thanks for commenting and sharing the image. It's an interesting discovery that should lead to even more comprehensive wiki info. Alpacalypse (talk) 15:38, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
I slightly reworded the sentence in question, to reflect the current state of this discussion. Alpacalypse (talk) 17:34, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
  • There were no webs in the room, and I have no extra mods installed that would affect this (better transparency for smooth stone designation is about it really), and that room specifically works with the wereapes I have in my fortress as well, I have already spread the wereape infection to 2 other "volun-dorfs". Also side note, the wereapes, and wereraccoons do not get along at all. Perhaps I will try the wereraccoon again to see if it continues to happen, maybe also setup a trap gauntlet for it to run to see if it triggers any other traps, that the wereapes don't. Scavello 23:41, March 20 2023 (UTC)
  • Second test - results: Same sterile test room, no webs, no mods that would interfere, has worked previously with wereapes, wereraccoon was trapped again and did not get a chance to attack the test subject. Scavello 04:22, March 22, 2023 (UTC)
  • It would be strange if wereraccoons could not be caught in cage traps due to their (small) size. I do not believe we have the numbers for the werebeast sizes (though they would not be difficult to extract), but all manners of creatures such as crundles and stoats can be caught in cage traps - and those are surely smaller. In other words, the only reason for wereraccoons to be trappable would be for there to either be a mechanic which prevents small creatures to be caught in cage traps, which must in that case be new to v50, or for the wereraccoons to have some other token influencing their interaction with traps. Or it could be a bug of course, or human error. --Voliol (talk) 10:44, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
A successful transmission of the wereape infection to a "volun-dorf"
  • It is very strange because the same setup works for the were apes I have in my fort as well, and I have screen shot seen here. It definitely could be a bug, I just haven't gotten into the nitty gritty details of why yet. But I'm happy to provide any further information for people to try and suss this out. I did check the arena yesterday, but unfortunately, the only werecreatures are werepanthers, and you can't place cage traps.
  • Feel free to use this screen shot for the article too Scavello (talk) 21:11, March 24, 2023 (UTC)
  • I just learned of a were-chinchilla attack by him getting caught in a cage trap long before reaching the fortress entrance. Don't know how that affects things, but it seems like not all WB get TRAPAVOID. I have screenshot but cannot post because I'm a new forum user. Babaji (talk) 23:52, 24 December 2023 (UTC)Babaji

Page structure[edit]

I found myself having trouble finding or accurately referencing sections of this article that were within quite long sections and paragraphs. I took the liberty of restructuring a couple of section headings, and adding a few subsections. It's a bit subjective, so I'm just leaving a note here, in case anyone has any thoughts on this. Alpacalypse (talk) 17:31, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Werebeasts in fortresses update[edit]

The Werebeasts in fortresses section could do with some specific information about visitors being able to transform whilst visiting one of your fortress locations.

Adding a werecreature list with sprites.[edit]

Anyone think the page would look better with this?

Mammal Werebeasts
Graphic Werecreature
Wereanteater sprite.png Wereanteater*
Wereantelope sprite.png Wereantelope**
Wereape sprite.png Wereape**
Werearmadillo sprite.png Werearmadillo
Werebadger sprite.png Werebadger
Werebear sprite.png Werebear**
Werebeaver sprite.png Werebeaver
Werebison sprite.png Werebison*
Werebuffalo sprite.png Werebuffalo
Werebull sprite.png Werebull
Werecamel sprite.png Werecamel**
Werecapybara sprite.png Werecapybara
Werecat sprite.png Werecat
Werecavy sprite.png Werecavy
Werechinchilla sprite.png Werechinchilla
Werecivet sprite.png Werecivet*
Werecoati sprite.png Werecoati
Werecoyote sprite.png Werecoyote
Weredeer sprite.png Weredeer
Weredonkey sprite.png Weredonkey**
Wereelephant sprite.png Wereelephant
Wereelk sprite.png Wereelk
Werefox sprite.png Werefox
Weregiraffe sprite.png Weregiraffe
Weregoat sprite.png Weregoat
Weregopher sprite.png Weregopher*
Werehare sprite.png Werehare
Werehedgehog sprite.png Werehedgehog
Werehorse sprite.png Werehorse
Werehyena sprite.png Werehyena
Werejackal sprite.png Werejackal
Werekangaroo sprite.png Werekangaroo
Werekoala sprite.png Werekoala
Werelemur sprite.png Werelemur*
Werellama sprite.png Werellama
Wereloris sprite.png Wereloris*
Weremammoth sprite.png Weremammoth*
Weremarmot sprite.png Weremarmot
Weremole sprite.png Weremole*
Weremongoose sprite.png Weremongoose
Weremonkey sprite.png Weremonkey**
Weremoose sprite.png Weremoose
Weremouse sprite.png Weremouse*
Wereopossum sprite.png Wereopossum
Werepanda sprite.png Werepanda
Werepangolin sprite.png Werepangolin
Werebeast sprite.png Werepanther**
Werepig sprite.png Werepig
Wereporcupine sprite.png Wereporcupine
Wererabbit sprite.png Wererabbit
Wereraccoon sprite.png Wereraccoon
Wererat sprite.png Wererat
Wererhinoceros sprite.png Wererhinoceros
Weresheep sprite.png Weresheep
Wereshrew sprite.png Wereshrew*
Wereskunk sprite.png Wereskunk
Weresloth sprite.png Weresloth
Weresquirrel sprite.png Weresquirrel
Weretapir sprite.png Weretapir
Werewarthog sprite.png Werewarthog
Wereweasel sprite.png Wereweasel
Werewolf sprite.png Werewolf
Werewombat sprite.png Werewombat
Werezebra sprite.png Werezebra*
Graphic Werecreature
Reptile Werebeasts
Werechameleon sprite.png Werechameleon
Weregecko sprite.png Weregecko
Weregilamonster sprite.png Weregilamonster
Wereiguana sprite.png Wereiguana
Werelizard sprite.png Werelizard
Weremonitor sprite.png Weremonitor
Wereskink sprite.png Wereskink
Weretortoise sprite.png Weretortoise**
Weretortoise sprite.png Wereturtle
*The animal this corresponds to does not actually appear as a normal animal in Dwarf Fortress.
**This werebeast doesn't correspond clearly to any specific in-game species of animal.

--Zippy (talk) 05:38, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Sprites are certainly good to have! But I wonder if it might look a bit off by how 'vertical' that table is. It's a lot to scroll through. OluapPlayer (talk) 14:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
What if the tables were collapsible? --Zippy (talk) 10:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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