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A border of exclamation marks (!!) on an item or [[dwarf]] name indicates that it is on '''fire'''.
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Items on fire also release smoke and ignite adjacent items.  The color of the name of burning dwarves will alternate between yellow and red (it may do so forever after the dwarf died).
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'''Fire''' is not an individual item, but a condition that affects creatures, items, and the terrain. An item or creature is either on fire, or not.  Adjacent items can catch fire if they are flammable - wood and cloth are examples of flammable items, stone and gems are notSome items are especially flammable, such as [[refined coal|coal]].
  
==Previous behaviour==
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Fire is exceptionally dangerous, more so than most [[Creature|creature]]s, in part because dwarves will not avoid fire nor will they react to it in any way, and so will happily walk into flames, catch fire and then spread it without a word of complaint.  No [[Announcement|announcement]] will be generated until a dwarf dies ("[[Urist]] McHotstuff has died in the heat"), which might be the first notice you get of the problem.
This had problems in the old version, in that the burning items set other nearby items on fire.  A good example:
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[[Image:Running around on fire.gif|thumb|right|250px|''(click to enlarge)''<br />'''‼'''Dwarves'''‼''' on fire (flashing red/yellow), and trailing [[smoke]].]]
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A border of exclamation marks on an '''‼'''item'''‼''' or '''‼'''creature'''‼''' indicates that it is on fire.  Items on fire also release [[smoke]] and can ignite adjacent items. Most burning items will eventually vanish, being completely consumed by the fire, but some take extremely long to do so. <!-- NEED EXAMPLES!-->
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In the {{k|u}}nits list, the name of burning dwarves or creatures will flash, alternating quickly between yellow and red, similar to the graphic, right. (And may do so forever after the dwarf dies.)
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The biggest danger is that fire can easily spread, setting other dwarves (who don't care) and items alight.  Once something is on fire, either an object or a creature, there is very little you can do about it except quickly isolate them like some plague carrier, and wait for the inevitable.
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Fires burning in the environment (e.g. burning [[grass]]) start at a temperature of {{ct|10508}} and quickly heat up to {{ct|10708}}, while burning items rapidly heat up to 200 degrees above their ignition point (but stay slightly below that, because the surrounding air cools them a bit). Items experience rapid [[wear]]-based damage while burning, and continue to degrade until entirely destroyed. [[Fire-safe]]ty for any material is defined as being stable at a [[temperature]] of {{ct|11000}}, though this doesn't actually work due to a bug.
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=== A typical example ===
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[[File:Dwarf_title_boo_radley_anonib.gif|thumb|right|A Dwarf on fire.  (Unusual, in that he seems to notice.)]]
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:# While you're not watching (of course), a [[furnace operator]] gets hit by a fireball from a [[fire imp]] while working at the [[magma smelter]].
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:# The furnace operator then runs around on his business, smelting [[coke]], and sets fire to both the [[charcoal]] stockpile, and a [[bituminous coal]] vein.
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:# As he does this he takes burning damage.
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:# Now [[wound]]ed, he heads for the [[barracks]] for a rest.
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:# The dwarf dies on the way, and his (still burning) clothes fall to the side.<br />''(Somehow, let's say you miss the announcement of his death - the game doesn't pause or re-center, so it wouldn't be the first time.)''
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:# A peasant comes and picks up his '''‼'''[[pig tail]] [[shoe]]'''‼''' and puts it on.  His clothing catches on fire.
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:# He goes to the surface and starts a [[forest fire]], which distracts you for some time. You think the forest fire caught him on fire, not the other way around.
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:# Meanwhile, your legendary [[armorer]] grabs some '''‼'''charcoal'''‼''' for a new steel project.  Soon, he's a '''‼'''legendary armorer'''‼''' (but not for long...)
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:# A [[hauler]] grabs some armor in the forge where the charcoal is burning, catches fire, and sets fire to the leather armor items in the armor stockpile, and/or the rows of wooden bins there.
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:# A miner finds the burning coal vein, and becomes a '''‼'''miner'''‼'''.
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:# One of these dwarves soon feels hurt also, and heads for the barracks to rest, getting on a [[wood]]en [[bed]] and lighting that up.
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:# Another goes and has a drink, setting fire to the booze stockpiles and causing all of the drinks to boil away.
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:# Nearby beds and food stockpiles light up; dwarves sleep on those [[bed]]s and the others near it and get lit up themselves, as well as the dwarves going for a drink or meal, and for the '''‼'''[[pig tail]] [[robe]]'''‼'''.
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:# The announcements about all the dwarves that have "died in the heat" start pouring in - you don't miss these.
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:# You find the burning coal vein and miner, and blame it on him, wondering when and why he went outside into the forest fire.
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:# Now a fair portion of the fortress is on fire, but you can't do anything about it, and can't see what's happening very well for all the smoke.
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:# To save what dwarves you can, you <A>ctivate them, and so some and go to the burning armor bins to get '''‼'''armored'''‼''' up. 
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:# Those few who do manage to get out unlit have all lost several friends and loved ones, and a [[tantrum|tantrum spiral]] is now unavoidable.  Those few soon go [[insane]] and throw themselves into the river in a final ironic act.
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Wasn't that [[fun]]?
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==Responding to fire==
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Water is good, but water is often too complex to use easily.  A bucket or ten won't help - you need to immerse the object/dwarf in water.  Water will put out burning objects, but dwarves burn too fast to be saved easily. Burning items in metal bins or barrels will continue to burn, and boil away the water - this can lead to some interesting results.
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If it's a wildfire, you can dig channels, build walls, or otherwise create barriers.  Wildfire does not spread down z-levels, so [[slope]]s work too, even if they are the color of dry grass.  The fastest response is an exploit, to designate a maximum size [[farm plot]] at the source of the fire, and in moments the fire will stop.  If it continues, keep slapping down farm plots until it goes out.  ''(The secret is that farm plots will turn the ground beneath it into furrowed [[soil]] even before it's constructed, and consequently will remove all flammable surface tiles - or at least as far as the game is concerned.)''
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Sometimes the only response is to treat it like a plague - write off the infected victims and isolate them, locking them away until the disease runs its course.    If any survive, good for them, but better that than risk losing more.
  
#Dwarf gets hit by fireball from [[fire imp]] at the [[magma forge]]
 
#Dwarf runs around his business, as he takes burning damage he goes for a rest, and heads for the [[barracks]]
 
#The dwarf dies on the way.  Someone comes and picks up his !![[giant cave spider]] [[silk]] [[shoe]]!! and puts it on.  His clothing catches on fire
 
#This dwarf also feels hurt and heads for the barracks, but this one gets on the [[wood]]en [[bed]], lighting that up.
 
#Nearby beds light up; dwarves sleep on that [[bed]] and the others near it and get lit up themselves, as well as the dwarves going for the !![[cave spider]] [[silk]] [[robe]]!!
 
#Some of these dwarves go past the [[alcohol]] stores for a drink, these light up.  now a fair portion of the fortress is on fire.
 
#Remaining dwarves will have other barracks to sleep in, and some of them have rooms.  they go back and set more of their stuff on fire
 
#Three months later: everything is burning and all your dwarves are dead because none of them fell in the [[river]](Which in the old version wouldn't actually put your dwarves out).
 
#Wasn't that [[fun]]?
 
  
 
==Forest fires==
 
==Forest fires==
  
 
===Origins===
 
===Origins===
Creatures such as [[Fire imp]]s can cause a forest fire by igniting a creature with a fire attack. If grass also ignites, the fire will slowly spread to all connected grass, generating smoke as it burns.  Fire turns [[grass]] into ashes, but not usable [[ash|ashes]].  Anything that is flammable and stands on burning grass (if you loo{{k|k}} at it you will see "A fire") has a chance to catch fire each turn.
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Creatures such as [[Fire imp]]s can shoot fireballs when attacking, and said fireballs can set the grass on fire. If grass ignites, the fire will slowly spread to all connected grass, generating smoke as it burns.  Fire turns [[grass]] into ashes, but not usable [[ash|ashes]].  Anything that is flammable and stands on burning grass (if you loo{{k|k}} at it you will see "A fire") has a chance to catch fire each turn. Note that fire '''breath''' (as also used by [[dragon]]s) will not set grass on fire, instead instantly turning it into ashes.
  
 
===Preventing forest fires===
 
===Preventing forest fires===
It is recommended to guard the surroundings of an exterior [[magma]] pool with [[Marksdwarf|Marksdwarves]] so that creatures don't have a chance to light anything up (except the Marksdwarves themselves, but this is unlikely if they are well trained).  Having walls or better yet fortifications all around the pools is likely to prevent all possible forest fires. Strangely [[grizzly bear]]s seem to be ineffective against such a threat.
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It is recommended to guard the surroundings of an exterior [[magma]] pool with [[Marksdwarf|Marksdwarves]] so that creatures don't have a chance to light anything up (except the Marksdwarves themselves, but this is unlikely if they are well trained).  Having walls or better yet fortifications all around the pools is likely to prevent all possible forest fires. Strangely, [[grizzly bear]]s seem to be ineffective against such a threat - the only known cure is your constant supervision.
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Alternatively, pour water on top of the pool to turn it to [[obsidian]], sealing it. (But what a waste of magma!)
  
 
===Protecting from forest fires===
 
===Protecting from forest fires===
Since dwarves will not pay attention to fires , and dwarves will rush to move their dead friends to the graveyard, you may end up very quickly with heavy casualties if you do not {{k|o}}rder all dwarves to stay {{k|i}}nside.  If you have precious items and buildings outside, it is also possible to dig a [[channel]] to stop the fire from spreading any more (they are cheaper then walls, offer the same protection and, most importantly, are much faster to create).
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Since dwarves will not pay attention to fires , and dwarves will rush to move their dead friends to the graveyard, you may end up very quickly with heavy casualties if you do not {{k|o}}rder all dwarves to stay {{k|i}}nside.  If you have precious items and buildings outside, it is also possible to dig a [[channel]] to stop the fire from spreading any more (they are cheaper than walls, offer the same protection and, most importantly, are much faster to create).
  
 
Know however that merchants will not pay anymore attention to the fire than your own dwarves, so you may also want to protect them in the same fashion, even if it should change their path, otherwise they could all happily walk into flames when leaving the region (or worse, stand for days on "A fire").
 
Know however that merchants will not pay anymore attention to the fire than your own dwarves, so you may also want to protect them in the same fashion, even if it should change their path, otherwise they could all happily walk into flames when leaving the region (or worse, stand for days on "A fire").
  
 
===Irregularities===
 
===Irregularities===
Forest fires present certain irregularities that you should take in consideration {{version|0.28.181.40d}}:
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Forest fires present certain irregularities that you should take in consideration:
*[[Trees]], [[plants]] and other [[map tile]]s will '''not''' be destroyed in the fire.  That makes them very easy to spot after a forest fire, and also a possible (if unlikely) natural defense.  [[Items]], however, may burn.
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*[[Tree]]s, [[plant]]s and other [[map tile]]s will '''not''' be destroyed in the fire.  That makes them very easy to spot after a forest fire, and also a possible (if unlikely) natural defense.  [[Item]]s, however, may burn.
 
*Grassy slopes will not catch on fire, thus preventing the fire from spreading across z-levels.
 
*Grassy slopes will not catch on fire, thus preventing the fire from spreading across z-levels.
*Forest fires, no matter how big, will never cross a [[channel]] or a non-wooden [[road]].
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*Forest fires, no matter how big, will never cross a [[channel]] or a non-wooden [[road]]. However, they ''will'' go through closed doors. {{verify}}
*In you start a fire in adventure mode, it will not spread if temperature is turned off.
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*If you start a fire in adventure mode, it will not spread if temperature is turned off.
  
Note that actively making use of these irregularities may be considered an [[exploit]].
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===Uses===
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Like [[magma]], fire can help you get rid of unwanted items; clothing, wooden furniture, and any corpse item will almost certainly burn. Dumping items onto a burning item will set them on fire, and if more fuel is added consistently, it may well be possible to maintain a bonfire for quite some time. However, since the only reliable way to start a contained fire is with magma, it's usually easier to just chuck everything in there instead.
  
==Use as a weapon==
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Deliberate forest fires have been known to be useful against sieges, but it takes a long time for the grass to regrow. And - again - you could always just do it with magma.
This is not recommended, although some success has been reported with the Booze Bomb trap (which consists of a [[fire imp]] in a [[cage]] linked to a [[lever]], standing near an [[alcohol]] stockpile so that it can be released when the enemy get near). It should be noted that this is a criminal waste of good liquor.
 
  
== [[Adventurer Mode]] ==
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== [[Adventure Mode]] ==
In adventurer mode, it's possible to ignite trees and shrubs with the {{k:g}} key. The possibilities for killing wolves with the burning corpses of other wolves should not be overlooked.
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In adventurer mode, it's possible to ignite trees and shrubs with {{k|g}}. The possibilities for killing wolves with the burning corpses of other wolves should not be overlooked. (It should be noted that the {{k|T}}ravel function puts out any inconvenient fires on yourself and your collection of "'''‼'''wolf head'''‼'''"s, which will probably end up as "Xwolf headX" after your trip). Since steel items do not burn, it is possible to kill friendly guards by setting the right location on fire, and when the hapless speardwarf perishes, heading back and taking his spear to use as a throwing weapon.
  
[[Category:Physics]]
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{{Category|Physics}}

Latest revision as of 21:25, 31 January 2022

This article is about an older version of DF.

Fire is not an individual item, but a condition that affects creatures, items, and the terrain. An item or creature is either on fire, or not. Adjacent items can catch fire if they are flammable - wood and cloth are examples of flammable items, stone and gems are not. Some items are especially flammable, such as coal.

Fire is exceptionally dangerous, more so than most creatures, in part because dwarves will not avoid fire nor will they react to it in any way, and so will happily walk into flames, catch fire and then spread it without a word of complaint. No announcement will be generated until a dwarf dies ("Urist McHotstuff has died in the heat"), which might be the first notice you get of the problem.

(click to enlarge)
Dwarves on fire (flashing red/yellow), and trailing smoke.

A border of exclamation marks on an item or creature indicates that it is on fire. Items on fire also release smoke and can ignite adjacent items. Most burning items will eventually vanish, being completely consumed by the fire, but some take extremely long to do so.

In the units list, the name of burning dwarves or creatures will flash, alternating quickly between yellow and red, similar to the graphic, right. (And may do so forever after the dwarf dies.)

The biggest danger is that fire can easily spread, setting other dwarves (who don't care) and items alight. Once something is on fire, either an object or a creature, there is very little you can do about it except quickly isolate them like some plague carrier, and wait for the inevitable.

Fires burning in the environment (e.g. burning grass) start at a temperature of 10508 °U and quickly heat up to 10708 °U , while burning items rapidly heat up to 200 degrees above their ignition point (but stay slightly below that, because the surrounding air cools them a bit). Items experience rapid wear-based damage while burning, and continue to degrade until entirely destroyed. Fire-safety for any material is defined as being stable at a temperature of 11000 °U , though this doesn't actually work due to a bug.

A typical example[edit]

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A Dwarf on fire. (Unusual, in that he seems to notice.)
  1. While you're not watching (of course), a furnace operator gets hit by a fireball from a fire imp while working at the magma smelter.
  2. The furnace operator then runs around on his business, smelting coke, and sets fire to both the charcoal stockpile, and a bituminous coal vein.
  3. As he does this he takes burning damage.
  4. Now wounded, he heads for the barracks for a rest.
  5. The dwarf dies on the way, and his (still burning) clothes fall to the side.
    (Somehow, let's say you miss the announcement of his death - the game doesn't pause or re-center, so it wouldn't be the first time.)
  6. A peasant comes and picks up his pig tail shoe and puts it on. His clothing catches on fire.
  7. He goes to the surface and starts a forest fire, which distracts you for some time. You think the forest fire caught him on fire, not the other way around.
  8. Meanwhile, your legendary armorer grabs some charcoal for a new steel project. Soon, he's a legendary armorer (but not for long...)
  9. A hauler grabs some armor in the forge where the charcoal is burning, catches fire, and sets fire to the leather armor items in the armor stockpile, and/or the rows of wooden bins there.
  10. A miner finds the burning coal vein, and becomes a miner.
  11. One of these dwarves soon feels hurt also, and heads for the barracks to rest, getting on a wooden bed and lighting that up.
  12. Another goes and has a drink, setting fire to the booze stockpiles and causing all of the drinks to boil away.
  13. Nearby beds and food stockpiles light up; dwarves sleep on those beds and the others near it and get lit up themselves, as well as the dwarves going for a drink or meal, and for the pig tail robe.
  14. The announcements about all the dwarves that have "died in the heat" start pouring in - you don't miss these.
  15. You find the burning coal vein and miner, and blame it on him, wondering when and why he went outside into the forest fire.
  16. Now a fair portion of the fortress is on fire, but you can't do anything about it, and can't see what's happening very well for all the smoke.
  17. To save what dwarves you can, you <A>ctivate them, and so some and go to the burning armor bins to get armored up.
  18. Those few who do manage to get out unlit have all lost several friends and loved ones, and a tantrum spiral is now unavoidable. Those few soon go insane and throw themselves into the river in a final ironic act.

Wasn't that fun?

Responding to fire[edit]

Water is good, but water is often too complex to use easily. A bucket or ten won't help - you need to immerse the object/dwarf in water. Water will put out burning objects, but dwarves burn too fast to be saved easily. Burning items in metal bins or barrels will continue to burn, and boil away the water - this can lead to some interesting results.

If it's a wildfire, you can dig channels, build walls, or otherwise create barriers. Wildfire does not spread down z-levels, so slopes work too, even if they are the color of dry grass. The fastest response is an exploit, to designate a maximum size farm plot at the source of the fire, and in moments the fire will stop. If it continues, keep slapping down farm plots until it goes out. (The secret is that farm plots will turn the ground beneath it into furrowed soil even before it's constructed, and consequently will remove all flammable surface tiles - or at least as far as the game is concerned.)

Sometimes the only response is to treat it like a plague - write off the infected victims and isolate them, locking them away until the disease runs its course. If any survive, good for them, but better that than risk losing more.


Forest fires[edit]

Origins[edit]

Creatures such as Fire imps can shoot fireballs when attacking, and said fireballs can set the grass on fire. If grass ignites, the fire will slowly spread to all connected grass, generating smoke as it burns. Fire turns grass into ashes, but not usable ashes. Anything that is flammable and stands on burning grass (if you look at it you will see "A fire") has a chance to catch fire each turn. Note that fire breath (as also used by dragons) will not set grass on fire, instead instantly turning it into ashes.

Preventing forest fires[edit]

It is recommended to guard the surroundings of an exterior magma pool with Marksdwarves so that creatures don't have a chance to light anything up (except the Marksdwarves themselves, but this is unlikely if they are well trained). Having walls or better yet fortifications all around the pools is likely to prevent all possible forest fires. Strangely, grizzly bears seem to be ineffective against such a threat - the only known cure is your constant supervision.

Alternatively, pour water on top of the pool to turn it to obsidian, sealing it. (But what a waste of magma!)

Protecting from forest fires[edit]

Since dwarves will not pay attention to fires , and dwarves will rush to move their dead friends to the graveyard, you may end up very quickly with heavy casualties if you do not order all dwarves to stay inside. If you have precious items and buildings outside, it is also possible to dig a channel to stop the fire from spreading any more (they are cheaper than walls, offer the same protection and, most importantly, are much faster to create).

Know however that merchants will not pay anymore attention to the fire than your own dwarves, so you may also want to protect them in the same fashion, even if it should change their path, otherwise they could all happily walk into flames when leaving the region (or worse, stand for days on "A fire").

Irregularities[edit]

Forest fires present certain irregularities that you should take in consideration:

  • Trees, plants and other map tiles will not be destroyed in the fire. That makes them very easy to spot after a forest fire, and also a possible (if unlikely) natural defense. Items, however, may burn.
  • Grassy slopes will not catch on fire, thus preventing the fire from spreading across z-levels.
  • Forest fires, no matter how big, will never cross a channel or a non-wooden road. However, they will go through closed doors. [Verify]
  • If you start a fire in adventure mode, it will not spread if temperature is turned off.

Uses[edit]

Like magma, fire can help you get rid of unwanted items; clothing, wooden furniture, and any corpse item will almost certainly burn. Dumping items onto a burning item will set them on fire, and if more fuel is added consistently, it may well be possible to maintain a bonfire for quite some time. However, since the only reliable way to start a contained fire is with magma, it's usually easier to just chuck everything in there instead.

Deliberate forest fires have been known to be useful against sieges, but it takes a long time for the grass to regrow. And - again - you could always just do it with magma.

Adventure Mode[edit]

In adventurer mode, it's possible to ignite trees and shrubs with g. The possibilities for killing wolves with the burning corpses of other wolves should not be overlooked. (It should be noted that the Travel function puts out any inconvenient fires on yourself and your collection of "wolf head"s, which will probably end up as "Xwolf headX" after your trip). Since steel items do not burn, it is possible to kill friendly guards by setting the right location on fire, and when the hapless speardwarf perishes, heading back and taking his spear to use as a throwing weapon.