User:Kydo

Who I Am

I am Kydo, a DF player who enjoys this website a lot and is interested in helping. Mostly with grammatical corrections. (If you see any issues on my page, please point them out to me. Everyone makes mistakes. That's why I'm here.) My real name is Jeff. Not that it matters. In rl, I'm an artist with two years of college under his belt... And no money for the rest of the degree. I'm a gamer, I play D&D and dabble in tabletop RPG design, I play videogames excessively, and it all tends to get in the way of my art, really. This is probably just another diversion, I suppose. Oh. And I'm a guy. Let's make that clear.

I have a DA page if you wish to talk to me about art or what-not. Kydo

Observations

Just a collection of things I've noticed. Read it or not, I don't care. Basically just stuff I want to add as little side-notes to other articles, but am too shy to actually do. I think I'll wait until I understand the editor a bit lot more.

Dead Wagons

Wagons of death

Okay, so this illustrates something a little off.

The wagon you start off with is stationary. All it can do is be deconstructed. It doesn't do THAT when you take the thing apart. You just get two pieces of wood.

The wagons traders use are obviously different. For one thing, they move, with two horse-like animals pulling them. (Sometimes they're camels, oxes, donkeys, etc.) They have a width of 3x3 tiles, and cannot pass over a great many objects in the environment. The Depot Accessibility Display shows only the places the center tile can pass over. So long as there's green, the wagon can get there.

The difference between trade wagons and the starting wagon becomes more apparent, in that upon entering the depot, they can be stacked two high, and seem to completely deconstruct themselves from existence.

In the trading article, it claims you can steal from a caravan without marking the objects as stolen, by deconstructing the depot with the traders inside. And it works! Very well! Someone noted that surrounding nations keep track of sent and returned wealth and will still probably invade. I'm tempted to note that dwarfs will never siege dwarfs, meaning you can HEAVILY exploit the trade caravan by deconstructing every time they show up, with NO repercussions... But it also causes the above glitchyness. The wagons, which at the time of depot deconstruction didn't even appear to exist, are now listed as dead, and still do not appear on the map.

When the caravan leaves, the wagons will reappear from the location they originally disappeared on, and wander off the field, leaving their goods behind, and for some reason, remaining in your units list as deceased creatures, despite already having watched them leave your map!

Reconstructing the depot, before or after they leave, even if it's in the same spot, will not "revive" them. Nor will it remove the "deceased" status.

Geology Chart

I'm building a personal-use chart using the various charts across DFWiki. It's basically a geology guide of ores, gems and stones, showing what forms they take, where, and how in regards to one another. Inspired by the discussion on whether Olivine should be given it's own page for it's relationship to Gabbro and Platinum. That particular discussion lead to a discussion of what is actually worth making a unique page on.

Personally, I do not feel that individual items require their own page unless it's necessary to write more than a paragraph about them. (Compare sword to instrument and you'll see what I mean.) I think there should be a unique geology page that talks about how the world generator arranges mining resources, while the stone page talks about stone, the gems page talks about gems and the ores page talks about ores. The three can link to each other, and all could be just sub-pages from the geology page. So while the geology page would only talk about relationships, the sub-pages would describe the materials themselves.

Since I'm in no position to be running around the wiki making enormous alterations out of the blue, I'll just make one for myself and leave it at that. Unless someone sees this and either yells at me or convinces me to try and take it farther.

So far, all I've done is gather up the disparate information from the Soil, Stone, Ore and Gem pages. Ideally, I should be able to put together one chart explaining their spacial relationships, without becoming psychotically elaborate or cluttered. That's Idealism. More realistically, I'll just end up re-designing the four charts to show the connections separately and have them linking to one another.

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Soil is the name for the various kinds of ground that can be planted on without irrigation using water. In DF, the category of "Soil" includes all types of sand, clay, ooze and any "non-stone" layer equally, even if you or I generally don't associate that substance with "growing plants".

When starting a new fortress, types and quantities of available soils are listed at the bottom right of the fortress location selection screen. In contrast to rock types, soil type names appear in brown, and are usually closest to the top of the list, and thus, closest to the surface of the ground.

Note, however, that you may only plant cave flora if the tile is marked "Subterranean." To check this, go to the tile in k mode.

Digging into soil does not generate any byproduct materials, unlike digging in rock, and also is a much faster process which makes it much easier to create storerooms and other large areas of empty space, and to train miners.

Soil cannot be smoothed, so it can be difficult to make high value rooms, or pierce aquifers. Also, since soil cannot be smoothed, soil cannot be used to make fortifications.

The only minerals that can be found native to soil are gold, cassiterite, and platinum. However, in unusual cases, it's always possible that a vein from a nearby stone layer could extend into the edge of a soil layer.

* - Any soil listed in the upper part of the table does not count as sand for glassmaking, even if its name includes the word "sand."

Name	Tile
Calcareous Ooze	▒
Clay	▓
Clay Loam	▒
Loam	░
Loamy Sand*	▒
Peat	≈
Pelagic Clay	░
Sandy Clay*	▒
Sandy Clay Loam*	░
Sandy Loam*	░
Siliceous Ooze	▒
Silt	▓
Silty Clay	▓
Silty Clay Loam	░
Silt Loam	▒
Sand	Tile
Sand (no color)	░
Black Sand	▓
Red Sand	░
White Sand	▓
Yellow Sand	▓

These types of stone occur as entire layers, containing some veins and pockets of other minerals (see below). If one of the following types of stone is present on your map, it will be listed in one of the biomes on the embark screen.

Sedimentary	Igneous intrusive	Igneous extrusive	Metamorphic
░ ● Chalk = ● Chert , ● Claystone ∞ ● Conglomerate ` ● Dolomite ▓ ● Flint ▓ ● Limestone ≈ ● Mudstone # ● Rock salt # ● Sandstone . ● Shale % ● Siltstone	░ ● Diorite ▒ ● Gabbro ▓ ● Granite	∞ ● Andesite* # ● Basalt* . ● Felsite* ▒ ● Obsidian , ● Rhyolite*	= ● Gneiss ▓ ● Marble - ● Phyllite - ● Quartzite ` ● Schist % ● Slate

Stones found on this table will occur as pockets and veins inside their respective stone layers (see above). When your miners newly encounter one of them, the game will pause and you will receive an announcement; even for the ones that have no use other than to build constructions of unusual colors. Note that the veins or clusters can spread into other layers, and may cause some layers to contain stones they usually wouldn't. Non-layer stone formations occur in one of three shapes: large clusters, veins, and small clusters. (See Veins & Clusters for full info.)

Icons	Name	Found in	Found how
^ ●	Alabaster	Gypsum	Small clusters
` ●	Alunite	All Igneous extrusive, Kaolinite	Large clusters
v ●	Anhydrite	Gypsum, Satinspar, Alabaster, Selenite	Single
+ ●	Bauxite	All Sedimentary	Large clusters
☼ ☼	Bituminous coal	All Sedimentary	Veins
` ●	Borax	Gypsum, Rock salt	Small clusters
% ●	Brimstone	All Igneous extrusive, Gypsum	Small clusters
" ●	Calcite	Limestone, Marble	Small clusters
= ●	Chromite	Olivine	Veins
£ *	Cinnabar	All Igneous extrusive, Shale, Quartzite	Veins
£ *	Cobaltite	All Igneous All Metamorphic	Veins
- ●	Cryolite	Granite	Small clusters
o ●	Graphite	Gneiss, Quartzite, Marble, Schist	Small clusters
# ●	Gypsum	All Sedimentary	Large clusters
" ●	Hornblende	All Igneous, All Metamorphic	Small clusters
. ●	Ilmenite	Gabbro	Small clusters
░ ●	Jet	All Sedimentary	Large clusters
= ●	Kaolinite	All Sedimentary	Large clusters
% ●	Kimberlite	Gabbro	Veins
* ●	Lignite	All Sedimentary	Veins
% ●	Marcasite	Kaolinite	Small clusters
v ●	Mica	All Metamorphic, Granite	Large clusters
% ●	Microcline	All Stone	Large clusters
% ●	Olivine	Gabbro	Large clusters
- ●	Orpiment	All Igneous extrusive	Small clusters
% ●	Orthoclase	All Igneous intrusive, All Metamorphic	Large clusters
, ●	Periclase	Marble	Small clusters
% ●	Petrified wood	All Sedimentary	Small clusters
* ●	Pitchblende	Granite	Small clusters
Θ ●	Puddingstone	Conglomerate	Large clusters
% ●	Pyrolusite	All Igneous	Small clusters
% ●	Realgar	All Igneous extrusive	Small clusters
` ●	Rutile	All Metamorphic, Granite	Small clusters
x ●	Saltpeter	All Sedimentary	Small clusters
- ●	Satinspar	Gypsum	Small clusters
; ●	Selenite	Gypsum	Small clusters
≈ ●	Serpentine	Olivine	Small clusters
% ●	Stibnite	All Igneous extrusive	Small clusters
= ●	Sylvite	Rock salt	Large clusters
| ●	Talc	Dolomite	Large clusters

Ores are a type of stone that can be used to create metal bars and alloy bars at the smelter.

Metal ores with two possible metals listed below always create the first metal when smelting, but have a chance of creating the second metal as well. Different rules apply to creating alloys.

Note that in some cases ore value (given below) and metal value are not the same (Adamantine, Bismuth, Iron ores). Alloys, too, often have a higher value than the ores/metals they are made of. In most cases furniture made from the ore is as valuable as furniture made from a pure (non-alloy) metal, while requiring one-third the raw materials and significantly less processing.

All ores are fire-safe material.

Ore	Found in	Found how	Metal created	Value	Metal value
Raw Adamantine *	The depths	Veins	Adamantine *	250	300
Aluminum, native	All Igneous Extrusive	Small clusters	Aluminum	40	40
Bismuthinite	Granite	Small clusters	Bismuth	1	2
Cassiterite	All Alluvial, Granite	Veins	Tin	2	2
Copper nuggets	All Igneous Extrusive, Sandstone	Veins	Copper	2	2
Galena	All Igneous extrusive, All Metamorphic, Granite, Limestone	Veins	Lead, Silver (50%)	5	2 (10)
Garnierite	Gabbro	Veins	Nickel	2	2
Gold nuggets	All Igneous All Alluvial	Veins	Gold	30	30
Hematite	All Sedimentary, All Igneous extrusive	Veins	Iron	8	10
Horn silver	Native silver	Small clusters	Silver	10	10
Limonite	All Sedimentary	Veins	Iron	8	10
Magnetite	All Sedimentary	Large clusters	Iron	8	10
Malachite	Limestone, Marble	Veins	Copper	2	2
Platinum nuggets	All Alluvial, Olivine, Magnetite, Chromite	Small clusters	Platinum	40	40
Silver nuggets	Granite, Gneiss	Veins	Silver	10	10
Sphalerite	All Metamorphic	Veins	Zinc	2	2
Tetrahedrite	All Stone	Veins	Copper, Silver (20%)	3	2 (10)

(* Note that raw adamantine/adamantine does not follow all the usual rules for an ore/metal in several respects - see article for full discussion.)

Small clusters of rough gems can be found strewn throughout the mountain. Cut gems can be used to encrust furniture, crafts, weapons, armor and ammunition, to create windows and as a source material for legendary artifacts. In addition, raw rock crystals are required to make crystal glass goods. Large gems are a byproduct of cutting and can not be processed further. They have a high base value for an item(10x) and can easily reach hundreds, even thousands depending on the gem. Artifact large gems made from precious jewels will go for around 50,000.

Gems have base value of 3 in rough form, which is multiplied by the appropriate value modifier from the table below. They gain value after they are cut in a jeweler's workshop. Cut gems have a base value of 5. Items can be decorated (encrusted) with cut gems; all such decorations have a value of 10 times the gem type's value multiplier. See Gem cutting and Gem setting. Large gems have a base value of 10.

Unlike other gems, diamonds can ignite if they come into contact with magma.

Faint yellow diamonds only appear in kimberlite (which itself only appears in gabbro layers) and sapphires and rubies only appear in bauxite (which occurs in any sedimentary layers). Colored diamonds only occur in pre-existing clusters of faint yellow diamonds. Star sapphires and rubies only occur within clusters of their peers.

Like working metal, making glass requires fuel, either coke or charcoal at a normal glass furnace, or magma at a magma glass furnace.

Gems come in many varieties, with their own color and value multipliers:

Rarity	Gem name	Value (×)	Color	Graphic	Found where	Found how
Ornamental	amber opal	10	A		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	aventurine	3	B		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	banded agate	2	C		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	bloodstone	2	C		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	blue jade	2	D		Alluvial	Small clusters
Ornamental	bone opal	10	E		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	brown jasper	2	A		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	carnelian	2	C		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	cherry opal	10	F		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	chrysocolla	2	G		Malachite, Marble	Small clusters
Ornamental	chrysoprase	2	H		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	citrine	2	I		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	clear tourmaline	10	E		Metamorphic, Sedimentary, Granite	Small clusters
Ornamental	dendritic agate	2	E		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	fire agate	2	A		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	fortification agate	2	E		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	gold opal	10	I		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	gray chalcedony	2	E		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	jasper opal	10	E		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	lace agate	2	D		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	lapis lazuli	2	D		Igneous intrusive, Marble	Small clusters
Ornamental	lavendar jade	2	J		Alluvial	Small clusters
Ornamental	milk opal	10	E		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	milk quartz	2	E		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	moonstone	2	E		Metamorphic	Small clusters
Ornamental	morion	2	K		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	moss agate	2	B		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	moss opal	10	B		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	onyx opal	10	E		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	onyx	2	K		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	picture jasper	3	A		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	pineapple opal	10	E		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	pink jade	2	L		Alluvial	Small clusters
Ornamental	pipe opal	10	E		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	plume agate	2	A		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	prase opal	10	B		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	prase	2	B		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	pyrite	2	I		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	resin opal	10	I		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	rock crystal	2	E		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	rose quartz	3	F		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	sardonyx	2	C		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	sard	2	C		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	schorl	2	K		Metamorphic, Sedimentary, Granite	Small clusters
Ornamental	shell opal	10	E		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	smoky quartz	2	A		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	sunstone	2	I		Basalt, Gneiss	Small clusters
Ornamental	tiger iron	2	I		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	tigereye	2	I		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	tube agate	2	A		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	turquoise	2	D		Igneous extrusive, Kaolinite, Granite	Small clusters
Ornamental	variscite	2	B		Bauxite	Small clusters
Ornamental	wax opal	10	A		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	white chalcedony	2	E		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Ornamental	white jade	2	E		Alluvial	Small clusters
Ornamental	wood opal	10	A		All stone	Small clusters
Ornamental	yellow jasper	2	I		Sedimentary	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	alexandrite	20	L		Granite, Schist, Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	almandine	20	C		Metamorphic, Diorite, Gabbro	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	amethyst	20	L		All stone	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	aquamarine	20	D		Granite, Schist, Marble, Rhyolite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	bandfire opal	20	E		All stone	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	black opal	30	K		All stone	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	black pyrope	20	K		Metamorphic, Kimberlite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	black zircon	20	K		All Igneous, Metamorphic	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	blue garnet	30	N		Metamorphic, Granite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	brown zircon	20	A		All Igneous, Metamorphic	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	cat's eye	20	E		Granite, Schist, Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	chrysoberyl	20	H		Granite, Schist, Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	cinnamon grossular	20	A		Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	claro opal	20	D		All stone	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	clear garnet	20	E		Metamorphic, Granite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	clear zircon	25	E		All Igneous, Metamorphic	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	crystal opal	20	E		All stone	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	demantoid	30	B		Chromite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	fire opal	15	F		All stone	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	golden beryl	20	I		Granite, Schist, Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	goshenite	20	E		Granite, Schist, Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	green jade	20	H		Alluvial	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	green tourmaline	20	B		Metamorphic, Sedimentary, Granite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	green zircon	20	B		All Igneous, Metamorphic	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	harlequin opal	20	E		All stone	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	heliodor	20	H		Granite, Schist, Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	honey yellow beryl	20	A		Granite, Schist, Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	indigo tourmaline	25	N		Metamorphic, Sedimentary, Granite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	jelly opal	15	A		All stone	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	kunzite	20	L		Granite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	levin opal	20	I		All stone	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	light yellow diamond	30	E		Kimberlite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	melanite	15	K		Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	morganite	20	L		Granite, Schist, Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	peridot	20	H		Gabbro	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	pinfire opal	20	E		All stone	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	pink garnet	20	L		Metamorphic, Granite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	pink tourmaline	15	F		Metamorphic, Sedimentary, Granite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	precious fire opal	20	F		All stone	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	purple spinel	20	J		Metamorphic, Diorite, Gabbro	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	red beryl	20	F		Granite, Schist, Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	red flash opal	20	F		All stone	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	red grossular	20	C		Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	red pyrope	20	C		Metamorphic, Kimberlite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	red spinel	20	C		Metamorphic, Diorite, Gabbro	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	red tourmaline	15	C		Metamorphic, Sedimentary, Granite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	red zircon	20	C		All Igneous, Metamorphic	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	rhodolite	20	J		Metamorphic, Kimberlite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	rubicelle	20	I		Metamorphic, Diorite, Gabbro	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	tanzanite	20	L		Gabbro	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	topazolite	20	I		Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	topaz	20	I		Granite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	tsavorite	30	B		Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	violet spessartine	20	L		Metamorphic, Granite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	white opal	20	E		All stone	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	yellow grossular	20	I		Marble	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	yellow spessartine	20	I		Metamorphic, Granite	Small clusters
Semi-Precious	yellow zircon	20	I		All Igneous, Metamorphic	Small clusters
Precious	emerald	40	B		Granite, Schist, Marble	Small clusters
Precious	faint yellow diamond	40	A		Kimberlite	Small clusters
Precious	ruby	40	C		Bauxite	Small clusters
Precious	sapphire	40	N		Bauxite	Small clusters
Rare	black diamond	60	K		Faint yellow diamonds	Single gem
Rare	blue diamond	60	N		Faint yellow diamonds	Single gem
Rare	clear diamond	60	E		Faint yellow diamonds	Single gem
Rare	green diamond	60	B		Faint yellow diamonds	Single gem
Rare	red diamond	60	C		Faint yellow diamonds	Single gem
Rare	star ruby	60	F		Ruby	Single gem
Rare	star sapphire	60	D		Sapphire	Single gem
Rare	yellow diamond	60	I		Faint yellow diamonds	Single gem

Gem name	Value	Color	Requires
green glass	2×	☼	bag full of sand
clear glass	5×	☼	bag full of sand + pearlash
crystal glass	10×	☼	rough rock crystal + pearlash