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==Current wiki editing pet projects==
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I'm primarily just ordering my thought here; but using the talk page so if you are interested in, or actively working on any of the following - you can drop me a comment if you have any suggestions, ideas, or want to compare notes/make sure we are on the same page. Alternatively, you can let me know if I am working at cross-purposes with any plans you have, or editing you have been doing.
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====See Also====
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*The original notes below here, lead me to go ahead and make a [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Centralized_Discussion/Changes_to_terminology|Changes to terminology]] centralized discussion. I expect the following to gradually become unrelated to this. [[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 00:44, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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===Changes in recent DF versions===
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====General issues====
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*Address all red links in [[Template:V50_menus]]
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*Improve all related pages towards [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Quality#Superior|superior quality]]
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====Specifics====
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*[[Menu]] - Page needs updating with current info and consistency with [[Menu tabs]] and related [[Template:V50_menus|Template]]
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*[[Justice]] - Needs updating to reference new menus, all links are currently <small>< [[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 19:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC) ></small> or [[fortress guard|practically]]) red, in the context of v50 menus.
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===Changes to terminology===
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*Update wiki for clarity and accuracy regarding terms that have taken on new meanings recently.
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====Specifics====
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*[[Symbol]] - ''Mostly completed up to fine level'', but needs better linking/references to existing wiki pages, and editing of those pages where relevant to recent changes.
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:*[[Custom_names_and_symbols#Custom_symbols|Custom Symbols]] - Page created, but probably needs some better page and link structure/reorganisation.
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::* What to do with "Custom symbols" section of [[Custom names and symbols]]? Add to a new [[Names and symbols]] page? Make it's own page similar to [[Fortress name]]? (see "Name" below)
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*[[Object]] ([[Talk:Objects|Objects talk]]) - New pages and a lot of small, but significant edits to existing pages (such as "[[Item]]") needed to avoid confusion or add clarity to different uses of words and features relating to [[Object]] and [[Objects]].
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*[[Name]] - This is can lead down quite a rabbit hole, the following is just off the top of my head:
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:*Complicated by there already being a very comprehensive [[name]] page, which only deals with generated character names.
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:*A [[Fortress Name]] page (ditto).
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:*The newly created [[Custom names and symbols]] page, which contains 90% of the information on [[Fortress name]].
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:*Lack of documentation or references to any other generated or custom names:
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::*Seemingly undocumented custom group names (and symbols).
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::*Difference between a custom symbol (descriptive) and a custom symbol (badge of office), ''both of which'' can have unique and custom titles.
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::*Paucity of references to all other generated names: e.g. sites, artifacts, history generated non-entity related creatures.
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:*Terminology between all of this: e.g. name/title/description.
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[[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 19:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
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==Comments re: Pet projects==
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Let me know here if you have any feedback/thoughts on my pet projects notes above.
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==Comments re: Anything else==
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Simply adding this heading for myself for readability/structure. <small>[[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 19:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)</small>
 
== Don't delete talk page discussions, please ==
 
== Don't delete talk page discussions, please ==
  
 
As you suspected, [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki_talk%3AVersions&type=revision&diff=292148&oldid=292138 this edit] is not very good form. Talk pages are like a forum; if there's a misunderstanding, clarify it and move on. There's no need to clean up past discussions and deleting other people's comments is generally frowned upon. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines here] for general talk page ettiquette. The comment you replaced the discussion with is also a bit unclear now; if you think there's an issue with the version template, it's better to demonstrate how to reproduce the bug so that someone can try to fix it. —[[User:OddballJoe|OddballJoe]] ([[User talk:OddballJoe|talk]]) 19:03, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 
As you suspected, [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki_talk%3AVersions&type=revision&diff=292148&oldid=292138 this edit] is not very good form. Talk pages are like a forum; if there's a misunderstanding, clarify it and move on. There's no need to clean up past discussions and deleting other people's comments is generally frowned upon. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines here] for general talk page ettiquette. The comment you replaced the discussion with is also a bit unclear now; if you think there's an issue with the version template, it's better to demonstrate how to reproduce the bug so that someone can try to fix it. —[[User:OddballJoe|OddballJoe]] ([[User talk:OddballJoe|talk]]) 19:03, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:Gotcha. Now you mention it, I shouldn't have needed to be told not to delete someone else's comment. I was really just thinking about how much needless clutter I'd added to the discussion. Thanks for the clarification. [[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 19:12, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:Gotcha. Now you mention it, I shouldn't have needed to be told not to delete someone else's comment. I was really just thinking about how much needless clutter I'd added to the discussion. Thanks for the clarification. [[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 19:12, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
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== Unsigned comments ==
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FYI, when responding to users who don't sign their comments, it's customary to use {{tl|unsigned}} with their username/ip to make the convo easier to follow. —[[User:OddballJoe|OddballJoe]] ([[User talk:OddballJoe|talk]]) 19:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
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:Good tip, and now I have a handy reference for the tag usage too, thanks. Also, I appreciate you having a look at that terminology discussion and giving some feedback. I think on one or two points I might have got a bit too "zoned in" on the issue. It wouldn't be a discussion if there wasn't some dialogue. &mdash;[[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 01:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 01:56, 14 March 2023

Current wiki editing pet projects[edit]

I'm primarily just ordering my thought here; but using the talk page so if you are interested in, or actively working on any of the following - you can drop me a comment if you have any suggestions, ideas, or want to compare notes/make sure we are on the same page. Alternatively, you can let me know if I am working at cross-purposes with any plans you have, or editing you have been doing.

See Also[edit]

  • The original notes below here, lead me to go ahead and make a Changes to terminology centralized discussion. I expect the following to gradually become unrelated to this. Alpacalypse (talk) 00:44, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Changes in recent DF versions[edit]

General issues[edit]

Specifics[edit]

Changes to terminology[edit]

  • Update wiki for clarity and accuracy regarding terms that have taken on new meanings recently.

Specifics[edit]

  • Symbol - Mostly completed up to fine level, but needs better linking/references to existing wiki pages, and editing of those pages where relevant to recent changes.
  • Custom Symbols - Page created, but probably needs some better page and link structure/reorganisation.
  • Object (Objects talk) - New pages and a lot of small, but significant edits to existing pages (such as "Item") needed to avoid confusion or add clarity to different uses of words and features relating to Object and Objects.
  • Name - This is can lead down quite a rabbit hole, the following is just off the top of my head:
  • Complicated by there already being a very comprehensive name page, which only deals with generated character names.
  • A Fortress Name page (ditto).
  • The newly created Custom names and symbols page, which contains 90% of the information on Fortress name.
  • Lack of documentation or references to any other generated or custom names:
  • Seemingly undocumented custom group names (and symbols).
  • Difference between a custom symbol (descriptive) and a custom symbol (badge of office), both of which can have unique and custom titles.
  • Paucity of references to all other generated names: e.g. sites, artifacts, history generated non-entity related creatures.
  • Terminology between all of this: e.g. name/title/description.


Alpacalypse (talk) 19:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Comments re: Pet projects[edit]

Let me know here if you have any feedback/thoughts on my pet projects notes above.

Comments re: Anything else[edit]

Simply adding this heading for myself for readability/structure. Alpacalypse (talk) 19:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Don't delete talk page discussions, please[edit]

As you suspected, this edit is not very good form. Talk pages are like a forum; if there's a misunderstanding, clarify it and move on. There's no need to clean up past discussions and deleting other people's comments is generally frowned upon. See here for general talk page ettiquette. The comment you replaced the discussion with is also a bit unclear now; if you think there's an issue with the version template, it's better to demonstrate how to reproduce the bug so that someone can try to fix it. —OddballJoe (talk) 19:03, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Gotcha. Now you mention it, I shouldn't have needed to be told not to delete someone else's comment. I was really just thinking about how much needless clutter I'd added to the discussion. Thanks for the clarification. Alpacalypse (talk) 19:12, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Unsigned comments[edit]

FYI, when responding to users who don't sign their comments, it's customary to use {{unsigned}} with their username/ip to make the convo easier to follow. —OddballJoe (talk) 19:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Good tip, and now I have a handy reference for the tag usage too, thanks. Also, I appreciate you having a look at that terminology discussion and giving some feedback. I think on one or two points I might have got a bit too "zoned in" on the issue. It wouldn't be a discussion if there wasn't some dialogue. —Alpacalypse (talk) 01:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)