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(working on a rewrite of trading with elves)
 
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:* Items made from or decorated with [[stone]], as well as raw [[clay]] or raw [[sand]]. This includes items made from [[petrified wood]], [[lignite]], or [[bituminous coal]]; elves aren't concerned with items that were plants or animals in a different geological age.
 
:* Items made from or decorated with [[stone]], as well as raw [[clay]] or raw [[sand]]. This includes items made from [[petrified wood]], [[lignite]], or [[bituminous coal]]; elves aren't concerned with items that were plants or animals in a different geological age.
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:* Items made from or decorated with [[metal]] (including [[steel]]), green [[glass]], or [[ceramic]]. Elves are content to assume your dwarves fuel their craft with [[coke]] or [[magma]] rather than [[charcoal]].
 
:* [[Silk]] items, including silk [[thread]] and [[cloth]] and items made from silk thread or cloth. Elves don't care if you're exploiting spiders.
 
:* [[Silk]] items, including silk [[thread]] and [[cloth]] and items made from silk thread or cloth. Elves don't care if you're exploiting spiders.
 
:* [[Plant]] and fungus products in general. Unless otherwise prohibited, all of these items are acceptable both as themselves or as the material for an item or decoration:
 
:* [[Plant]] and fungus products in general. Unless otherwise prohibited, all of these items are acceptable both as themselves or as the material for an item or decoration:
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:** Processed plant products. This includes [[booze]], [[dye]] (and all dyed items), [[flour]], [[dwarven sugar]] and [[dwarven syrup]], [[oil]], [[press cake]], paste, [[slurry]], [[papyrus]], and [[paper]].
 
:** Processed plant products. This includes [[booze]], [[dye]] (and all dyed items), [[flour]], [[dwarven sugar]] and [[dwarven syrup]], [[oil]], [[press cake]], paste, [[slurry]], [[papyrus]], and [[paper]].
 
:* [[Prepared meal]]s made entirely with allowed ingredients.
 
:* [[Prepared meal]]s made entirely with allowed ingredients.
:* Items made from or decorated with [[metal]], green [[glass]], or [[ceramic]]. Elves are content to assume your dwarves fuel their craft with [[coke]] or [[magma]] rather than [[charcoal]].
 
 
:* [[Soap]] made from plant-based [[oil]]. This may be a bug{{bug|8571}}, as even plant-based soap requires [[lye]], which is made from [[ash]].
 
:* [[Soap]] made from plant-based [[oil]]. This may be a bug{{bug|8571}}, as even plant-based soap requires [[lye]], which is made from [[ash]].
 
:* Raw [[glass]] and cut glass [[gem]]s made of clear or crystal glass. Elves do not examine the material of rough or cut gems they accept in trade.{{bug|919}}
 
:* Raw [[glass]] and cut glass [[gem]]s made of clear or crystal glass. Elves do not examine the material of rough or cut gems they accept in trade.{{bug|919}}
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:* Any of the above, regardless of who made them (i.e. from earlier trades, or captured gear from fallen enemies)
 
  
 
However, [[stone]] and [[metal]] items, even when [[charcoal]] is used in production, are acceptable (since the elves are unfamiliar with metalworking, and do not know that charcoal is used to make metal items). Items made from [[silk]] are acceptable, as are all non-wooden plant-derived products such as [[cloth]] and [[thread]]. You can also transport your goods to the [[trade depot]] in a wooden [[bin]], as long as you do not try to sell the bin. Living animals are acceptable, as long as the [[cage]] or [[trap]] is not made of [[wood]].
 
However, [[stone]] and [[metal]] items, even when [[charcoal]] is used in production, are acceptable (since the elves are unfamiliar with metalworking, and do not know that charcoal is used to make metal items). Items made from [[silk]] are acceptable, as are all non-wooden plant-derived products such as [[cloth]] and [[thread]]. You can also transport your goods to the [[trade depot]] in a wooden [[bin]], as long as you do not try to sell the bin. Living animals are acceptable, as long as the [[cage]] or [[trap]] is not made of [[wood]].
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* [[Extract]]s
 
* [[Extract]]s
 
* [[Gizzard stone]]s, either as themselves or as decorations
 
* [[Gizzard stone]]s, either as themselves or as decorations
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* [[Remains]] (can these even be hauled to the depot? I forget)
 
* Items made from [[nail]]/claw/talon
 
* Items made from [[nail]]/claw/talon
 
* Items made from [[amber]], [[coral]], or [[pearl]].
 
* Items made from [[amber]], [[coral]], or [[pearl]].

Revision as of 00:46, 9 January 2023

Unacceptable items

Elves view living trees as sacred and dislike the killing of non-hostile animals; they're the only unmodded civilization to do so. Offering them wood or animal-derived products will offend the merchant, causing the traders to leave immediately. This causes their mood to drop rapidly (which has no effect, as they refuse to trade after an offense) and reduces your civilization's diplomatic relationship with the elves, possibly leading to war after multiple offenses.

Offering the elves' objects made from wood prompts this rebuke:

"Once a beautiful tree, and now? It is a rude bauble, fit only for your kind."

Unacceptable items include:

  • All items made of or decorated with wood. This includes wood from subterranean fungus "trees", like tower-caps.
  • All items made of or decorated with wood derivatives. This includes ash, potash, pearlash, charcoal, and lye. Note the exception for ash-glazed earthenware below, however.
  • Items made from or decorated with clear or crystal glass, as these items require pearlash in their creation. Again, note the exception for raw or cut glass gems below.
  • Obsidian short swords. These require wood in their production, for the handle.

Elves also reject the majority of animal products. This taboo extends to items made from intelligent creatures, despite the fact that you may see elf historical figures wearing items made from the hair or bones of their enemies.

"I see your low race still revels in death. That poor, gentle creature..."

This includes:

Examine your items carefully! Elf traders will reject containers holding a prohibited item, acceptable items stored in a prohibited container, and all items «decorated» with a prohibited material. If you want to sell food or liquid to elves, it's best to use a large pot or one of their own grown wood barrels.

Note that elves only care about the items they are actually offered. It's perfectly allowable to use wooden bins to haul items to the depot, as long as you only offer the elves acceptable items from the bin and not the bins themselves.

Acceptable items

Assuming they are not otherwise disqualified with unacceptable decorations, these items are acceptable to elves:

  • Items made from or decorated with stone, as well as raw clay or raw sand. This includes items made from petrified wood, lignite, or bituminous coal; elves aren't concerned with items that were plants or animals in a different geological age.
  • Items made from or decorated with metal (including steel), green glass, or ceramic. Elves are content to assume your dwarves fuel their craft with coke or magma rather than charcoal.
  • Silk items, including silk thread and cloth and items made from silk thread or cloth. Elves don't care if you're exploiting spiders.
  • Plant and fungus products in general. Unless otherwise prohibited, all of these items are acceptable both as themselves or as the material for an item or decoration:
  • Prepared meals made entirely with allowed ingredients.
  • Soap made from plant-based oil. This may be a bugBug:8571, as even plant-based soap requires lye, which is made from ash.
  • Raw glass and cut glass gems made of clear or crystal glass. Elves do not examine the material of rough or cut gems they accept in trade.Bug:919
  • Otherwise-acceptable items are not disqualified by ash glaze, which may be a bugBug:4652.


However, stone and metal items, even when charcoal is used in production, are acceptable (since the elves are unfamiliar with metalworking, and do not know that charcoal is used to make metal items). Items made from silk are acceptable, as are all non-wooden plant-derived products such as cloth and thread. You can also transport your goods to the trade depot in a wooden bin, as long as you do not try to sell the bin. Living animals are acceptable, as long as the cage or trap is not made of wood.

Be especially careful with reselling decorated items from other caravans, as non-wood/glass items may have decorations of wood or clear/crystal glass. Note that "grown" wooden items from elven caravans can be resold to them, as the elves know that they were made in an elf-kosher way.

Untested items in .50